Tuesday, December 26, 2006

Re: Re: [MLM Survivors Club] Re: New honesty law, etc.

What site were you reading, could you post the URL? So, by what you are saying, the new rule will go into effect, it just has to have proper hearings, etc??? Thanks for the info. Margie

----- Original Message -----
From: Mary Chiodo
To: mlmsurvivorsclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 9:02 PM
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [MLM Survivors Club] Re: New honesty law, etc.

At 08:31 AM 27/12/06, you wrote:
>What lawsuit is it that has stop the new law from going into
>effect? Is it from AmQuix? I am interested to find out who is
>holding up this law? Thanks, Margie
> ----- Original Message -----

The only one I'm aware of is from the Distributor Rights Association,
which has served notices on the board members of the FTC that it
intends taking them to court if the new rules go into effect without
proper consultation and public hearings, etc. In other words, no
regulation by stealth.

I think that's correct. I read the site fairly briefly.

Mary

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Re: [MLM Survivors Club] Re: New honesty law, etc.

At 08:31 AM 27/12/06, you wrote:
>What lawsuit is it that has stop the new law from going into
>effect? Is it from AmQuix? I am interested to find out who is
>holding up this law? Thanks, Margie
> ----- Original Message -----

The only one I'm aware of is from the Distributor Rights Association,
which has served notices on the board members of the FTC that it
intends taking them to court if the new rules go into effect without
proper consultation and public hearings, etc. In other words, no
regulation by stealth.

I think that's correct. I read the site fairly briefly.

Mary

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Re: [MLM Survivors Club] Re: New honesty law, etc.

What lawsuit is it that has stop the new law from going into effect? Is it from AmQuix? I am interested to find out who is holding up this law? Thanks, Margie
----- Original Message -----
From: Mary Chiodo
To: mlmsurvivorsclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 11:49 AM
Subject: [MLM Survivors Club] Re: New honesty law, etc.

At 03:57 AM 27/12/06, Jennifer wrote:
>Yes, it is in small print at the bottom of the application. It says
>something like "The average Quixtar representative makes $80. per
>month." And the amount is around that low.

That's not actually about the new laws, which are not yet in effect
due to legal action.

Still, the "average" income is inaccurate, since Amway's own figures
state that 90% of income paid to the network goes to less than 2% of
the members. A median income figure would be much more accurate --
and much, MUCH lower!

Mary

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[MLM Survivors Club] Re: how do I convince him its a scam?

--- In mlmsurvivorsclub@yahoogroups.com, "paine_wwweb_r"
<paine_wwweb_r@...> wrote:
>
> Please understand that I don't wish to come off as being harsh,
but I
> wonder if you have any idea how insincere this post sounds. How do
> you sense a "false feeling of euphoria?" In all the years I was in
> the business, very litle of the excitement was faked. We had truly
> been convinced that we were in the right opportunity to make our
> dreams come true. No outsider could consider it "false euphoria"
> because it was not false. It was real.
>
> Also, no one goes to a rally where there's cheering and excitement
and
> immediately thinks "I'm in a cult setting with a group of
brainwashed
> converts." This is the thinking of someone who's done a lot of
> looking into the business after seeing a small sampling of what the
> meetings have to offer.
>
> I believe most people do not join the business because of the
> "rah-rah" stuff. They join because of a rather low-key and
acceptably
> professional presentation done in a much smaller setting (a hotel
> conference room or someone's kitchen.)
>
> If you want to be convincing with people who are asking real
questions
> about the business and are looking for real advice about it, you
have
> to step out of your own shoes and look at the experience from the
> perspective of the person asking the questions. Otherwise, you
come
> off as scripted, and that's not an image that serves survivors and
> critics of the A/Q business.
>
>
> PW
>
PW
I have read your last few posts and I am frustrated that you seem to
be one of the very few who gets it. Sometimes I think many of the
people are here to bash MLMs, and that is fine. But those of us who
got taken, really got taken and some of us are not all bad.

If you get convinced, and then you do what they say, and you make
money, it is a different amount of time for every one to realize the
facts. When I finally figured it out, I was making good money, and
walked away from it. (yes I can prove I made money, and would send a
schedule C to PW by private email if needed, but it's not needed)

Bitter? I guess. Duped? probably. Sleazy? no. Rip off artist? no.
It worked like they said it would, and I believed. After I looked
back, I figured it out and left. Some of the posters on the site
don't get it, and are suggesting you might be stupid or sleazy
because you were in for so long. I am convinced you were/are neither.
BTW, for those who are not seasoned lurkers, PW's wife is a
physician. Most stupid people don't get into medical school.

Anyway, thanks for fighting the fight, and I for one respect you,
even though you drank the kool aid for a period of time.

Bobz

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[MLM Survivors Club] Re: New honesty law, etc.

At 03:57 AM 27/12/06, Jennifer wrote:
>Yes, it is in small print at the bottom of the application. It says
>something like "The average Quixtar representative makes $80. per
>month." And the amount is around that low.

That's not actually about the new laws, which are not yet in effect
due to legal action.

Still, the "average" income is inaccurate, since Amway's own figures
state that 90% of income paid to the network goes to less than 2% of
the members. A median income figure would be much more accurate --
and much, MUCH lower!

Mary

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[MLM Survivors Club] Quixtar run in at Christmas Eve church service!!!!

Well, our upline Emeralds actually met my husband's parents at this
church about 30 years ago. They don't show up at church anymore
because they are "building the business". So, we all know that
everyone feels like they need to go to church on Christmas and
Easter, especially if they have neglected to go all year.

I didn't think about this when we were sitting in my in-law's church,
waiting to hear my neice sing a solo in the Christmas service. She
sang beautifully and everything was going fine, even though my sister
in-law's ex husband was sitting behind us with his new wife, that
didn't ruin the Christmas spirit in our hearts. Even my teenage
daughter and her boyfriend with each having a lip piercing and
telling each other in sign language (my daughter's boyfriend's mother
is deaf) that church is boring and look at that nerdy guy in the
choir (did they think no one else knew sign language? LOL), still
didn't ruin the mood for us or anyone else around.

Then it was communion time.... Now they do it different than my
church. We filed out by pew and went to the front to receive
communion. So, we did ours, even the teenagers LOL, and we were back
seated in the pew watching the others partake of communion. Then I
see this guy with a huge head and no neck followed by a slim woman
with a teased hairdo that looks like she is wearing a football
helmet. It was our uPLINE EMERALDS!!!! After the service, my husband
informed me he spotted our upline DIAMONDS, who are the daughter and
son in law of our emeralds. We said congrats to our neices and by to
the in laws and made our way to the only corridor out of the church.
I glanced behind me and met eyes with our upline diamond for only a
second. I know she did not recognize me (I hope).

I just remember when we won a trip to Don Wilson's cabin in Utah and
we all stayed in a cabin together with our emeralds and diamonds and
their respective couple who won. We slept in a fold out couch in the
living room and our diamonds with thier winners were in the loft
while our emeralds slept in the downstairs bedroom, the only room
with a door, because of the emerald husband's loud snoring. So, the
loft is open to the downstairs and we are getting ready for bed. I
hear our diamonds talking quietly and hear her mention our names.
She tells her husband that we are not like them and they would rather
have different people, more charismatic and popular, to have won this
trip (that we had to pay our own airline flight and meals for). That
was really the nail in the coffin for our Quixtar career. Only the
most popular and charismatic would be accepted. And with what I know
about the tool business, it makes perfect sense now.

Anywho, we walked all five family members, the boyfriend making six,
to our truck, laughing about being defectors and losers and feeling
more brave, saying we just don't want to run into them for fear we
would tell that we know the truth and could we have their email
address so we could share with them, lol.

Oh,and my in laws are still signed up and asked me if it was "legal"
to sell quixtar items on ebay. I told them of how I was selling
double x for a 1/4 of what the retail price is and someone from
quixtar told me to remove my picture of double x from my "about me"
page or they would take legal action!! And that I got lots of hate
mail from quixtar reps for selling tapes, books and other tools
online. My in-laws were shocked and upset that it is against the
rules to sell off your quixtar stuff online. I informed them that
for most mlm's if you sell the stuff on ebay the mlm will take away
your representative status. My thoughts are, Why are they still
signed up? And, why does my husband keep renewing us every year? He
says for the life insurance policy we have through them, but this is
getting ridiculous, we have been inactive for over 5 years!! I am
going to find new life insurance and get our ties broken for good!!!

Any ideas for good life insurance that is NOT part of an mlm?? My
husband is a small business owner and they do not offer life
insurance, so we need a good plan.

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[MLM Survivors Club] Re:New honesty law

Yes, it is in small print at the bottom of the application. It says something like "The average Quixtar representative makes $80. per month." And the amount is around that low. Back when we were in, one of our recruits quit because they read that. Like my dad always says "always read the small print before you sign." LOL, I should have listened!!

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