Monday, April 30, 2007

Re: [MLM Survivors Club] Returning Products - THANKS for the advice

Thanks for the information about how you run your MLM business.

Thing is, I would have never signed up to Amway had it been presented as a business for stay-at-home mums. It sounds like the income is not dissimilar to say having a part-time job in a shop or office whilst the kids are at school but allowing for more flexibility.

Amway was presented as a way to generate an ongoing residual income - the colour clinics and small bit of retail merely a temporary inconvenience which once set up would be as reliable as a standing order; ie customers would keep buying consumables on a regular basis with no further effort required. Meanwhile the network I had set up would keep generating bonus cheques which increased month after month after month, allowing me to give up work and do whatever else I wanted with my time and money.

Had it not been sold in this way I would never have signed up to it, not would most of the people I met who were in the business during the three years I was actively involved.

Regards,

Helen

Dawn _ <terrarain04@yahoo.com> wrote: I have been with this group for a little while and as some know from my past posts, I am currently with an MLM, and do make some money. Of course, this came after 11 years with various OTHER MLM's where I either lost a LOT of money and went into debt, lost relationships, and nearly got divorced because of one.

Am I a glutton for punishment? Some may say "yes"...me, I KNEW there was something out there that would allow me the flexibility to be a stay-at-home mother (after 20 years in Corporate America and the Defense Industry), and still contribute to my family's financial needs....I just had to find it. And, yes, it came at a great cost, but I now have the lifestyle that I want, and work hard to keep it. Am I a millionaire? Nope. Not by any means. I am a middle-income American. If I am one day, great...for now, I am happy that I am able to put my kids on the bus, be home when they get home from school, work part-time, and still make a decent income while not being the stress monster I was, trying to work a full-time job, and care for 2 children when my husband was out of the country for his job, for weeks, sometimes a month at a time.I refuse to ever live that way again. And for me, this is the answer. And it works for me.

I am a part of this group because I DO know all too well the pitfalls of many MLMs, and want to help others realize that many of the MLM's out there are scams, and do not have marketing plans that truly allow the independent distributor (or "independent contractor", because that is what we MLM-ers are, basically) to create any kind of income.

I would like to comment on a few of the following comments posted earlier; my comments are in << >>.
***********
To that end, I've been reading, with interest, the posts of our new
pro-MLMer. From my experience (thus opinion, not factual in the truest
definition of term) and research I can only say this about MLMs (in
general):

1. Money can be made only if you get in early and can live with
yourself knowing that many of those dragged in at some point, by you or
someone else, will not only not make money but will, in all likelihood,
lose money.

<<Money can be made IF you do your research, ask a LOT of questions, and WORK your business. Money will be LOST if you commit to something off the cuff, without thinking things through, and without doing the necessary research to find out the real ins and outs of a home business with an MLM with the company you are looking at joining. Joining this group and asking LOTS of questions is a good first step. I do agree with you with regard to your statement that many of those dragged in to MOST MLM's will NOT make any money. People MUST be careful when looking at the MLM industry for income. Typically, most people don't make enough to compensate themselves for their time, effort, or initial investment. The sad thing is that a great percentage of American families rely on two incomes, and are living payday-to-payday, so people are looking for that "other thing" to create additional income to help put money away for kids' educations, retirement, or even just to pay their
next light bill. It's sad, but many MLM's prey on these unsuspecting people and fill their heads with over-exaggerated income figures and "you're gonna get rich" thoughts. I have had several people sign into my business with me as a "sponsor". ONE of them did not get her initial investment back. But she also never worked her business..I mean LITERALLY. I guess she thought she was going to get in, then income would just magically appear. Money doesn't grow on trees...you have to work for it, regardless of what industry you're involved with.>>

2. Product/tools/ etc. can be sold only if you're the kind of person
that can sell ice to eskimoes (in my case the product was so over-priced
I, myself, decided just to go to Whole Foods and buy a comparable
product that can be easily returned if the product was not to my
liking).

<<<When choosing an MLM, again, ASK QUESTIONS!!! Check around and see who your competitors are. Compare product, pricing, manufacturing process, etc. I am not a ruthless salesperson; I am not pushy...I learned my lessons through the other MLM's I was involved with...and I sell a good amount of product at my home shows by presenting my product, and informing my customers in a way that is not pushy. If they purchase, great. If they don't, that's fine too. I came into this business knowing that not everyone who attends my home presentations REALLY wants to purchase things...and some don't. And that's okay. I've been that pushy butt-head in another MLM...it cost me dearly; I lost a part of myself in the process, and several friends. I approach things MUCH differently now. I have to; it's a promise I made to myself when I got involved in the business I'm in now. But, understand that SOME products are not that way. Again, do the research, and make sure you're not buying into a
"buying club". Signing people up to "buy product from themselves at a discount" isn't typically the best way to make an income with an MLM.>>

3. Market saturation is inevitable, whether that point comes because
there's too many people in one zip code trying to sell a product or the
product has been around so long people just move on to the next best
thing (as has happened to Pampered Chef in our area).

<<<Market saturation is NOT always inevitable. Otherwise these businesses who have been in business for 20+ years would not still be in business, and would have closed their doors years ago. For example, this is my 6th year in this particular business. I hold anywhere between 2 and 8 home shows a month...depending on what I have going on in my life, when I want to work, and how many shows I book each month. And I have sold, on average, over the last few years, anywhere between $20,000 - $33,000 worth of product per year, retailing to customers who are NOT a part of my downline, and who are NOT involved in this business. And I don't live in a big city. At my shows, most of the women who are in attendance have never heard of me or my product, and are excited at what I teach and the product I sell. Companies that do their research, and are truly geared toward helping their distributors succeed and maintaining an active customer base, are able to successfully and
continually bring in new products and/or services that the public will want to purchase. In addition, those young adults who are 15 years old right now will one day be independent adults, who will need/want to purchase products...consumers will never cease to exist.>>

4. MLMs are not a business. A business, for all intent and purposes,
is an entity with a profit and loss statement that can be sold. There
is no MLM distributor that can be sell their "business" when they decide
to get out. After weeks/months/ years of work they have nothing but a
few dollars in their pocket and experience to speak of.

<<MLM's ARE a business....I should rephrase that, sorry: SOME MLM's are a business! :-)Some are just "buying clubs" where people sign people up to purchase products from themselves at a discount, and don't involve much retailing. I sell goods in exchange for money...legally. Just like at Macy's or Lord & Taylor. My sales figures and expenses are given to my tax preparer every tax year, and I have to pay taxes on my income. If that's not a business, I don't know what is.>>

So, that's my two cents which, hopefully, didn't overshadow my desire to
truly Thank all those who offered tips and advise on how to return
product for a refund. Truly appreciated!

<<<I am glad to hear that you got out of a business that you found to not be worth the effort. There are MANY MLM's out there that are like that. I was involved in a few myself over my last 16 years in the direct sales industry. There are SO MANY scams out there, that people do have to be careful. It was great that you did your research and was able to get 90% of your money back. I think that some companies WILL do somethink like that, but only if the distributor pushes the issue. It's not something they like to advertise openly. One of the companies I was involved with would also refund you 90% of the value of your usable product. However, it came with a price: if you ever did this, and "cashed in", you would NEVER be able to be a distributor with that company again! And I know that many members of this group know the company I speak of. THAT doesn't speak to a company that "cares about its people" as so many of them advertise! Good for you for taking the bull by the
horns and getting as much of your money back as possible!>>

<< Terra>>

Cheers,

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Sunday, April 29, 2007

[MLM Survivors Club] Nikken

A friend of mine wants me to get into Nikken...or should i say that she
is in it...does anybody have any experience with the product....also
she went to a seminar and i have never seen such a cahnge in
her ,,,,she is gung ho....home much do these seminars cost...she want
to leave her job and work full time....whats the scoop ...should i try
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Re: [MLM Survivors Club] Re: New

--- In mlmsurvivorsclub@ yahoogroups. com, "ronandkris2" <ronandkris2@ ...> wrote:
>
> OK, the other product I'm considering selling is Pampered Chef. If
> anyone has had any negative experiences with this please let me
> know. I would really appreciate it. I really do love the products
> myself. Thanks
>
> ronandkris2
**************

<<With any company you are looking into, you have to ask some really DEEP questions of those who are trying to recruit you. Just asking for negative experiences will not get you anywhere...there are probably some negative experiences to having won the lottery! And negative experiences are not always objective...they are subjective, and may not always give all the background information that you'll need to decide whether what one person deems "negative" is what YOU would deem "negative".

If you are looking at a home based business, you need to look at:

1. What is your percentage of profit? What does it cost for "business materials" such as catalogs and other "show expenses"?
2. What does it cost you, the distributor, for your hostess to get her free product?
3. What is the return policy? (Know it, or you could end up with some really annoyed customers and you'll end up eating profits...pardon the pun).
4. What is the minimum amount you have to sell to stay "active"? (Is there a quota?)
5. If you recruit others into the business, what do you have to do to receive your commission check? Is there a minimum amount you have to sell in order to get your commission?
6. How do you earn bonuses?
7. Are awards & recognitions/trips, etc. being given to you because YOU purchase products from the company that sit on your shelf...as an enticement to get you to purchase more from the company and get yourself further into debt? Or, do they award you based on what you SELL to actual paying customers?
8. Are you actually selling a PRODUCT?? Or are you selling an "idea" or "concept". Just a note....products are usually much easier to sell than a concept! It is also these "concept" businesses that have a track record of being scams.
9. Are you being given promises of earning "$XX" amount of dollars and making "$XX" by a certain timeframe? NO ONE can tell you that for sure unless they have a crystal ball! Those promises are usually WAY overinflated, and are a way to get you to sign up and give them your money.
10. Do you have to stock inventory? Check with your tax guy, but inventory is usually not something you can write off on your taxes..."samples" may be a tax writeoff.
11. Is there a cost to attend local trainings? If so, how much, and where does the money go? It's one thing to pay $3 to help pay for the cost of renting a hall once a month to hold trainings. If the venue is free, however, where is that money going? Who's pocketing your cash?
12. Are you being pushed to invest (i.e. pay for) in training materials such as books or videos/CD's? If so, think twice. Also think twice if you're paying someone OTHER than the company DIRECTLY for these sorts of things!!!

Just a few things that you need to ask before signing ANY paperwork!! There are so many scams out there...pyramid schemes, etc. that are going to make you big promises...be careful.

There is a website: mlm-thetruth.com that has some good information. Write to the owner of the site directly. He may be able to give you some information on your particular company.

Best of luck.

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Re: [MLM Survivors Club] Returning Products - THANKS for the advice

I have been with this group for a little while and as some know from my past posts, I am currently with an MLM, and do make some money. Of course, this came after 11 years with various OTHER MLM's where I either lost a LOT of money and went into debt, lost relationships, and nearly got divorced because of one.

Am I a glutton for punishment? Some may say "yes"...me, I KNEW there was something out there that would allow me the flexibility to be a stay-at-home mother (after 20 years in Corporate America and the Defense Industry), and still contribute to my family's financial needs....I just had to find it. And, yes, it came at a great cost, but I now have the lifestyle that I want, and work hard to keep it. Am I a millionaire? Nope. Not by any means. I am a middle-income American. If I am one day, great...for now, I am happy that I am able to put my kids on the bus, be home when they get home from school, work part-time, and still make a decent income while not being the stress monster I was, trying to work a full-time job, and care for 2 children when my husband was out of the country for his job, for weeks, sometimes a month at a time.I refuse to ever live that way again. And for me, this is the answer. And it works for me.

I am a part of this group because I DO know all too well the pitfalls of many MLMs, and want to help others realize that many of the MLM's out there are scams, and do not have marketing plans that truly allow the independent distributor (or "independent contractor", because that is what we MLM-ers are, basically) to create any kind of income.

I would like to comment on a few of the following comments posted earlier; my comments are in << >>.
***********
To that end, I've been reading, with interest, the posts of our new
pro-MLMer. From my experience (thus opinion, not factual in the truest
definition of term) and research I can only say this about MLMs (in
general):

1. Money can be made only if you get in early and can live with
yourself knowing that many of those dragged in at some point, by you or
someone else, will not only not make money but will, in all likelihood,
lose money.

<<Money can be made IF you do your research, ask a LOT of questions, and WORK your business. Money will be LOST if you commit to something off the cuff, without thinking things through, and without doing the necessary research to find out the real ins and outs of a home business with an MLM with the company you are looking at joining. Joining this group and asking LOTS of questions is a good first step. I do agree with you with regard to your statement that many of those dragged in to MOST MLM's will NOT make any money. People MUST be careful when looking at the MLM industry for income. Typically, most people don't make enough to compensate themselves for their time, effort, or initial investment. The sad thing is that a great percentage of American families rely on two incomes, and are living payday-to-payday, so people are looking for that "other thing" to create additional income to help put money away for kids' educations, retirement, or even just to pay their
next light bill. It's sad, but many MLM's prey on these unsuspecting people and fill their heads with over-exaggerated income figures and "you're gonna get rich" thoughts. I have had several people sign into my business with me as a "sponsor". ONE of them did not get her initial investment back. But she also never worked her business..I mean LITERALLY. I guess she thought she was going to get in, then income would just magically appear. Money doesn't grow on trees...you have to work for it, regardless of what industry you're involved with.>>

2. Product/tools/ etc. can be sold only if you're the kind of person
that can sell ice to eskimoes (in my case the product was so over-priced
I, myself, decided just to go to Whole Foods and buy a comparable
product that can be easily returned if the product was not to my
liking).

<<<When choosing an MLM, again, ASK QUESTIONS!!! Check around and see who your competitors are. Compare product, pricing, manufacturing process, etc. I am not a ruthless salesperson; I am not pushy...I learned my lessons through the other MLM's I was involved with...and I sell a good amount of product at my home shows by presenting my product, and informing my customers in a way that is not pushy. If they purchase, great. If they don't, that's fine too. I came into this business knowing that not everyone who attends my home presentations REALLY wants to purchase things...and some don't. And that's okay. I've been that pushy butt-head in another MLM...it cost me dearly; I lost a part of myself in the process, and several friends. I approach things MUCH differently now. I have to; it's a promise I made to myself when I got involved in the business I'm in now. But, understand that SOME products are not that way. Again, do the research, and make sure you're not buying into a
"buying club". Signing people up to "buy product from themselves at a discount" isn't typically the best way to make an income with an MLM.>>

3. Market saturation is inevitable, whether that point comes because
there's too many people in one zip code trying to sell a product or the
product has been around so long people just move on to the next best
thing (as has happened to Pampered Chef in our area).

<<<Market saturation is NOT always inevitable. Otherwise these businesses who have been in business for 20+ years would not still be in business, and would have closed their doors years ago. For example, this is my 6th year in this particular business. I hold anywhere between 2 and 8 home shows a month...depending on what I have going on in my life, when I want to work, and how many shows I book each month. And I have sold, on average, over the last few years, anywhere between $20,000 - $33,000 worth of product per year, retailing to customers who are NOT a part of my downline, and who are NOT involved in this business. And I don't live in a big city. At my shows, most of the women who are in attendance have never heard of me or my product, and are excited at what I teach and the product I sell. Companies that do their research, and are truly geared toward helping their distributors succeed and maintaining an active customer base, are able to successfully and
continually bring in new products and/or services that the public will want to purchase. In addition, those young adults who are 15 years old right now will one day be independent adults, who will need/want to purchase products...consumers will never cease to exist.>>

4. MLMs are not a business. A business, for all intent and purposes,
is an entity with a profit and loss statement that can be sold. There
is no MLM distributor that can be sell their "business" when they decide
to get out. After weeks/months/ years of work they have nothing but a
few dollars in their pocket and experience to speak of.

<<MLM's ARE a business....I should rephrase that, sorry: SOME MLM's are a business! :-)Some are just "buying clubs" where people sign people up to purchase products from themselves at a discount, and don't involve much retailing. I sell goods in exchange for money...legally. Just like at Macy's or Lord & Taylor. My sales figures and expenses are given to my tax preparer every tax year, and I have to pay taxes on my income. If that's not a business, I don't know what is.>>

So, that's my two cents which, hopefully, didn't overshadow my desire to
truly Thank all those who offered tips and advise on how to return
product for a refund. Truly appreciated!

<<<I am glad to hear that you got out of a business that you found to not be worth the effort. There are MANY MLM's out there that are like that. I was involved in a few myself over my last 16 years in the direct sales industry. There are SO MANY scams out there, that people do have to be careful. It was great that you did your research and was able to get 90% of your money back. I think that some companies WILL do somethink like that, but only if the distributor pushes the issue. It's not something they like to advertise openly. One of the companies I was involved with would also refund you 90% of the value of your usable product. However, it came with a price: if you ever did this, and "cashed in", you would NEVER be able to be a distributor with that company again! And I know that many members of this group know the company I speak of. THAT doesn't speak to a company that "cares about its people" as so many of them advertise! Good for you for taking the bull by the
horns and getting as much of your money back as possible!>>

<< Terra>>

Cheers,

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[MLM Survivors Club] Re: Returning Products - THANKS for the advice

--- In mlmsurvivorsclub@yahoogroups.com, "cstargio" <cstargio@...>
wrote:
> What I'm trying to find out now is what happens to my direct
upline's"cut". Of the $2500 I spent on "inventory" my sponsor got
$500. Seeing that I returned most of it and actually sold none of it
(i.e.,nothing retailed) she should have to refund her $500. If that
is not required, demanded in essense, by Wellness International that
I think they've got a bonefide pyramid happening (concerns I've
expressed tothe FTC).

I would think each company would have it's own policy regarding that
and I'm not sure how most MLMs work. But they are ususally
structured so that the upline gets "points". When enough points are
gotten, in usually a months time, they get paid.

The one I'm most familiar with, you don't go directly "under" the
upline, but to the infinite bottom of someone in a group. The BV
(points) you generate flow up the same to everyone. The paychecks
come as often as weekly and each person paid is paid the same amount
based on the same BV. That BV holds for one year to the day the
order was placed or until it is paid on, which ever comes first. The
points the distributor has had come up from the bottom to
their "banks" upon which they are paid, is held for two weeks before
the check is cut (like traditional business holds a check for one or
two weeks depending on the time between pay days). So, in that two
weeks, if a customer's form of payment (check or credit card) is
rejected, or if a new distributor decided they wanted out and wanted
their money back, then every person who had "qualified" for a check
in that period of time because of the those volumn points, would have
the points that product had assigned to it reduced from the number of
points the distributor has, and there is a chance, then that a check
would be "missed" by a distributor. However, because the volume
holds for a year, all the distributor has to do is wait till the next
points come rolling up from the bottom to add to their points to get
a check. In the 5 years, I missed one check I should have gotten
because somones' form of payment failed. But, the next week points
came in from somewhere else so I got paid a week later than I
expected.

So in the company I am familiar with, your upline would not have lost
a check unless they were scheduled to be paid that week or within the
two weeks from which the $$ had been paid back.

However, if your sponsor got paid money specifically from the money
you paid, not based on accrual points from products sold, then yeah,
that sounds like an illegal pyramid. Illegal pyramids are often
broken up by state police at the request of your state's attorney
general not necessarily the FTC. Have you lodged a complaint with
your state attorney general? That might be a more efficient way to
lodge a complaint that can be acted upon.

Francie

> Speaking of which, although I submitted my claim electronically, I
> phoned the FTC to ask questions about claim's investigation. They
will
> not investigate anything unless the claim brings to their attention
> something they feel requires immediate attention (an example eludes
me
> at the moment) or they receive so many complaints about one
particular
> organization they cannot ignore the claims any longer.
>
> Thus my plea to everyone that has lost money in an MLM is to go
to the
> FTC's website https://rn.ftc.gov/pls/dod/wsolcq$.startup?
Z_ORG_CODE=PU01
> <https://rn.ftc.gov/pls/dod/wsolcq$.startup?Z_ORG_CODE=PU01> to
file a
> complaint. It's strength in numbers that'll actually get some of
these
> so-called "business opportunities" shut down.
>
> To that end, I've been reading, with interest, the posts of our new
> pro-MLMer. From my experience (thus opinion, not factual in the
truest
> definition of term) and research I can only say this about MLMs (in
> general):
>
> 1. Money can be made only if you get in early and can live with
> yourself knowing that many of those dragged in at some point, by
you or
> someone else, will not only not make money but will, in all
likelihood,
> lose money.
> 2. Product/tools/etc. can be sold only if you're the kind of
person
> that can sell ice to eskimoes (in my case the product was so over-
priced
> I, myself, decided just to go to Whole Foods and buy a comparable
> product that can be easily returned if the product was not to my
> liking).
> 3. Market saturation is inevitable, whether that point comes
because
> there's too many people in one zip code trying to sell a product or
the
> product has been around so long people just move on to the next best
> thing (as has happened to Pampered Chef in our area).
> 4. MLMs are not a business. A business, for all intent and
purposes,
> is an entity with a profit and loss statement that can be sold.
There
> is no MLM distributor that can be sell their "business" when they
decide
> to get out. After weeks/months/years of work they have nothing but
a
> few dollars in their pocket and experience to speak of.
>
> So, that's my two cents which, hopefully, didn't overshadow my
desire to
> truly Thank all those who offered tips and advise on how to return
> product for a refund. Truly appreciated!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Cyndi
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>

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[MLM Survivors Club] Returning Products - THANKS for the advice


Hi all,

Just wanted to thank all those who responded to my posts that asked how
to return product even though a company, Wellness International in my
case, claims not to accept refunds or exchanges. Although the process
was long, about 3 months, I got back 90% of the total returned (Wellness
taking the 10% for restocking). So now I'm out only about a grand
(unfortunately I opened up a lot of product to package up my own
samples) which I can chalk up to a great learning experience.

What I'm trying to find out now is what happens to my direct upline's
"cut". Of the $2500 I spent on "inventory" my sponsor got $500.
Seeing that I returned most of it and actually sold none of it (i.e.,
nothing retailed) she should have to refund her $500. If that is not
required, demanded in essense, by Wellness International that I think
they've got a bonefide pyramid happening (concerns I've expressed to
the FTC).

Speaking of which, although I submitted my claim electronically, I
phoned the FTC to ask questions about claim's investigation. They will
not investigate anything unless the claim brings to their attention
something they feel requires immediate attention (an example eludes me
at the moment) or they receive so many complaints about one particular
organization they cannot ignore the claims any longer.

Thus my plea to everyone that has lost money in an MLM is to go to the
FTC's website https://rn.ftc.gov/pls/dod/wsolcq$.startup?Z_ORG_CODE=PU01
<https://rn.ftc.gov/pls/dod/wsolcq$.startup?Z_ORG_CODE=PU01> to file a
complaint. It's strength in numbers that'll actually get some of these
so-called "business opportunities" shut down.

To that end, I've been reading, with interest, the posts of our new
pro-MLMer. From my experience (thus opinion, not factual in the truest
definition of term) and research I can only say this about MLMs (in
general):

1. Money can be made only if you get in early and can live with
yourself knowing that many of those dragged in at some point, by you or
someone else, will not only not make money but will, in all likelihood,
lose money.
2. Product/tools/etc. can be sold only if you're the kind of person
that can sell ice to eskimoes (in my case the product was so over-priced
I, myself, decided just to go to Whole Foods and buy a comparable
product that can be easily returned if the product was not to my
liking).
3. Market saturation is inevitable, whether that point comes because
there's too many people in one zip code trying to sell a product or the
product has been around so long people just move on to the next best
thing (as has happened to Pampered Chef in our area).
4. MLMs are not a business. A business, for all intent and purposes,
is an entity with a profit and loss statement that can be sold. There
is no MLM distributor that can be sell their "business" when they decide
to get out. After weeks/months/years of work they have nothing but a
few dollars in their pocket and experience to speak of.

So, that's my two cents which, hopefully, didn't overshadow my desire to
truly Thank all those who offered tips and advise on how to return
product for a refund. Truly appreciated!

Cheers,

Cyndi

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[MLM Survivors Club] Re: New

I've been in a home party business for 5 years, and I am on my way out. I just started a
"real" job to undo the debt. Let me tell you, the pride that I feel...I can clock in and clock
out, I am not a slave to my cell phone or e-mail, I do not have to load my purse with
business cards and catalogs, nor do I look at people with selfish motives. I can see people
for who and what they are, not as recruits.

Regardless of what your potential upline tells you...you CANNOT make a profit, or one that
is worth your time, unless you are recruiting. A 20-35% profit margin is quickly eaten up
by catalogs, conferences, supplies, postage, etc. What business can succeed on a 20%
margin? They will tell you that you don't have to recruit, they will tell you whatever you
want to hear, the bottom line is...your time and efforts are worth much more than
pampered chef, longaberger, tastefully simple, partylite, etc., can give you. By the day's
end, I may make $3/hour, then have to spend to replace my catalogs, etc. I am worth
much more than that, and not just on a financial level.

Hal, as for AVON, I can only share the situation of my 3 friends. Hundred/thousands in
inventory, because they got it for 40% off. Recruiting, yes, for $10 you can be an AVON
lady and have your dreams come true. HAH! If it smells like an MLM...it stinks!

--- In mlmsurvivorsclub@yahoogroups.com, "ronandkris2" <ronandkris2@...> wrote:
>
> OK, the other product I'm considering selling is Pampered Chef. If
> anyone has had any negative experiences with this please let me
> know. I would really appreciate it. I really do love the products
> myself. Thanks
>
> ronandkris2
>
>
>
> --- In mlmsurvivorsclub@yahoogroups.com, "ronandkris2"
> <ronandkris2@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I don't know if I'm really qualified to belong here. The only
> MLM
> > I've been involved in is Mary Kay, I like the product, but not
> > the "recruiting" and "selling" strategy. I'm thinking about
> selling
> > another product, but don't know if I'm allowed to share the name.
> >
> > I wanted to know if anyone else has had any negative experience
> with
> > the company I'm wanting to "sign up" for.
> >
> > Thanks
> > ronandkris2
> >
>

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