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[MLM Survivors Club] I asked If Wold Ventures was a pyramid scam...

This was the response that I got...

I'm new to the forum and do NOT belong to an MLM. However, I find it
funny all the people on here who are so negative about them and
calling them scams. Heres two AND ONLY TWO outcomes that can come
from joining one and having A NEGATIVE experience.

1) You join, in this case, for $350 and within 1 minute of you
paying the company shuts its doors....WOW, your out $350!! If your
worried about losing $350 on an opportunity then your not a
successful business person PERIOD and NEVER will be in an MLM.

2) You pay the $350 and the monthly fees and stay in it for 1 year
and make NO COMMISSIONS (remember, you making no commissions means
you were scammed) In this case you paid a total of 350 + (12*20.00)
= $590.00.

If you weren't smart enough to jump ship and cut YOUR losses short
after 2 or 3 months then its your own stupidity that lead you to
lossing even more money.

ONCE AGAIN, proving your not a business person and never will be!

But thats ok, the world needs all kinds of people and we can't ALL
be business owners or SUCCESSFUL PEOPLE!

Lastly, if your so negative about something you obviously know
you'll never do why waste your time. There are people that are
willing to risk $350 to see if they can make an income. And thats
their choice. Nobody is forcing them into this. We all make our own
decisions!

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[MLM Survivors Club] newbee – question?

First background:
- My wife signed as a Team member a few months ago. (My personal
opinion then and now – not a money making venture )

- I am a partner in a "traditional" business that does quite
well.

- I support my wife just as she has supported me in …..ahhhhhhhh
activates SHE shook her head at.

- as a business owner I have invested(paid) money and time for
education on business development. (My college education which I paid
BIG bucks and worked very hard studying to get a certificate of
completion[degree]. – no guarantee of a job.)

- I have lost money in different investments not because they were
scams but because I was not educated enough to deal with the issues that
arose.

- SO FAR the cost of the "business training / personal growth
material" by Team is much cheaper that what I have paid over the
years.(I have taken Dale Carnegie, Zig Ziglar…etc,etc…)

- The monthly products Team likes you to buy, small cans of pop called
"energy drink" and candy bars called "energy bars" are
way overpriced,. However my wife and I have a "splurge fund"
and these over priced products don't even put a dent in our
"splurge fund"

-on a personal note:

* SO FAR I feel the cost of the experience is well worth the education
my wife is getting. (especially since the fall out.)

*because of the resent law suits and the information being shared by
the top-ranking people there are many inconsistencies with what both the
Team and Amway preached before the law Suit and what they are preaching
now.

Question:

I am very leery and I would like to know how do people loose Large
amounts of money?

(allowing my wife to buy some over priced products and "business
training/personal growth material" she believes in is apart of
marriage. Keeping ones partner from loosing Large amounts of money is
also apart of marriage.)

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Wednesday, August 29, 2007

[MLM Survivors Club] Quixtar name change "coverup"?

So I sometimes take a look at the LTD group on Facebook (additional
information helps!), and the past day or so the subject of the name
change back to Amway came up. One woman asked about it, another didn't
know about it, and the group administrator cautioned everyone not to
post "negative" things, said that they should counsel upline, and the
name change wasn't a big deal and one should just continue to rely on
"mentorship". The woman who asked the initial question posted some
more information (from a blog) on the name change and made an
offhanded comment regarding not being happy with some of the
"mentorship" she had been receiving. The group admin. posted back,
cautioning her against "negative blogs" and "negative information" and
possible scaring away new IBOs, and how it was a rule not to say
negative things crossline. The woman posted back with a retort about
knowing the "rules" (which she did put in quotes as "rules"). Then
when I went back to check tonight, the administrator had deleted all
of the comments.

And here is why I am sharing all of this. The "negative blog" that
the admin. got so upset about was this one:

http://amwaynews.alticorblogs.com/

That's the official Amway media blog. Apparently "upline" is supposed
to have more current and positive information than the corporation itself.

When I see stuff like this, I find myself very thankful that my
boyfriend isn't in nearly as deep as he could be. As it is, he thinks
that some people take the "avoiding negative" to an extreme.
So....bring on the negative:P

-EA

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Re: [MLM Survivors Club] Amway Quixtar only site

Are you for real?

--- In mlmsurvivorsclub@yahoogroups.com, academy team21
<team21_academy@...> wrote:
>
> redsox 19652003,
>
> You know what ? Dexter and all kingpins in Amway wouldn't ever be
fired , because Amway and Quixtar love them very much.As Dexter and
all kingpins love Amway and Quixtar very much.
>
> redsox19652003 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
wrote: Does anyone know of a site that
is only about Amway/Quixtar survivors?
>
> There is alot going on and I don't want to miss any of it!
>
> When do the biggest crooks of all...Dexter and his dopey
sons...get
> fired?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
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> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: [MLM Survivors Club] On researching MLMs

> They won't show them because they're
> not making the money they say they are.
> What they'll do is double talk and give
> excuses and toss it back in the person's
> lap with a question. It's a standard
> sales technique. Don't give an answer,
> give a question. Something like, "Do
> you mean you don't trust me?"
>
> Of course a good response is, "That's
> not what I asked or said. Is there a
> reason you don't want to show me the
> return?"
>
> Or, maybe, "Should I trust you or are
> you faking it until you make it?"

They'll also claim that it's improper or rude to request to see
someone's private tax information. Remember that they are seeking to
involve someone in a BUSINESS, as an associate or a partner. (I
understand that it's not technically a "partnership," but they like to
use that word when recruiting. They also like the word "team.")

If you go into business with ANYONE, MLM or not, you have the right
and the obligation to yourself to inspect the financial records of the
company so that you know the current status of that business. Is it a
good risk? Is it insolvent? Is it what they claim it is?

Anything can be "dummied up," but if they used a tax return (Schedule
C) to document their business claims and it turns out to be false,
there could be a substantial claim of fraud if you end up losing money
because of it. The FTC has made specific rulings about making false
claims, and I can't think of anything more fraudulent than using a
falsified tax return to prop up a false income claim.

PW

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Re: [MLM Survivors Club] On researching MLMs

--- In mlmsurvivorsclub@yahoogroups.com, "narcissedespres"
<Narcissedespres@...> wrote:
But it's often
> that family member or close friend that convinces you to overlook your
> own misgivings. I had a family member in an MLM years ago, and she's
> told me that the reason she joined was because a close friend was
> involved. She got out after about a year, and pulled other people out
> with her, but she doesn't believe she would have joined if someone she
> really trusted hadn't presented the idea to her.
>
> -EA
>

Many years ago, I owned a hot tub store. Bought it just before Desert
Storm - and people weren't buying hot tubs when there was a war going
on.

To make my meager advertising budget the most effective, I sent a
questionnaire to about 100 of my customers, and one thing I learned
was: the thing that influenced their decision to buy a spa THE MOST
was the recommendation of a friend or family member.

And this IS the key to MLM.

Deb

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Thursday, August 30, 2007

Re: [MLM Survivors Club] newbee – question?

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Wednesday, August 29, 2007

[MLM Survivors Club] Quixtar name change "coverup"?

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