Thursday, April 10, 2008

[MLM Survivors Club] Re: Thoughts on Yuwie?

> And described as soing what you do on
> Myspace, but getting paid for it.
>
> I really can't find the problem with this,
> considering that it's free and there is
> nothing that you are obligated to buy.

Are you thinking about what you type?

Okay, so someone set up a "social networking" site, similar to
MySpace. Fine.

You say it's all free, and there's nothing anyone's "obligated" to buy.

Alarm bells are going off in my head with that one. SOMEONE has to
buy SOMETHING in order for ANYONE to make any money with this, no
matter how little the amount might be.

So WHO will be making whatever money is generated by whatever little
is bought? The FOUNDERS would be my first guess.

WHY ON EARTH do you want to work for a pittance? You do realize, I
trust, that whatever money you generated for yourself from this would
be AFTER the company got THEIRS, right?

Hey, if you're into paying to be involved in a social network, knock
yourself out. I have no problem with that. Just don't delude
yourself into thinking this company is out to share a significant part
of its income with people who want to get paid in this way.

Set up a service and earn an income from it, or buy the service and
forget about being paid for it. Those are the safest routes.

PW

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[MLM Survivors Club] Attention: PW or Moderator: Re: Thoughts on Yuwie?

OK Chip. I've been here for several years now and I am not a
promoter of MLM's. Your suggestion to the contrary is insulting. I
also own my own Yahoo group that is for people to get rid of their
MLM inventory and do not allow Pro-MLM posts.

The link I gave is what is on the home page when I log in, so I
copied and pasted. I don't care if you sign up or not... and you'd
have to sign up in order for it to "count".

But as to some of the things you caught, thanks. I did not see
anything where it said you needed to fill out any paperwork and
include a social. And they didn't ask for any information other than
an email address (for paypal). But perhaps they do require the other
info before sending any money. I didn't see that so far. And there
is no way I'd put in my social for such a thing. (I will look)

I guess I should have thought to read the Terms of Service, but it
just didn't occur to me over the last 24 hours. I'm just so used to
MySpace, Facebook, and those types of sites that I just didn't think
of it much differently.

I've been a myspace junkie for a while... Love it for keeping in
touch with friends... so that was the appeal... another place to play
with layouts and graphics... but I have no intention of putting
anything personal on there. Heck, I didn't even use my real last
name. HAHAHA.

Eh... I'm getting an icky feeling and trying to figure out what to do
next. Maybe I should post a "Blog" there to point out those things.
They's probably delete it, since it wouldn't be favorable for them,
but maybe at least a few people will see it before it gets deleted.

--- In mlmsurvivorsclub@yahoogroups.com, "chip_embere"
<chip_embere@...> wrote:
>
> 1. You posted a request for information(maybe legit), but posted a
> link to YOUR referral page on this site!! Curious!
>
> 2. Either you didn't read the fine print or chose to ignore it.
> (For both this forum and the site you are referring to).
>
> For anybody else that may think this site is cool - Here are some
tips:
>
> a). To get paid, you need to fill a W9 and give them your SSN. I am
> pretty paranoid about ID theft, and so should you be. (Giving such
> personal info to some random website !!)
>
> b) Read clause 8 of their "Terms of Service". (While you are at it -
> read the whole thing if you have the time).
>
> c) Virtually ALL the so called "Ads" on this site are for other MLM
or
> some such "Get Rich Quick" schemes.
>
> I haven't really spent a lot of time on this, but found the 3 big
RED
> flags in 5 mins.
>
> FINALLY, PW or moderator - would you do us all a favor by deleting
the
> referral link as its against the rules of this forum ?
>
> Thanks
> Chip
>
>
> --- In mlmsurvivorsclub@yahoogroups.com, "Vicki" <v_eller@> wrote:
> >
> > Is anyone here using Yuwie? Any info on it as far as whether it
> > actually falls under the scam/MLM/Pyramid scheme family?
> >
> > I just signed up for this yesterday. It's marketed as social
> > networking with a twist. And described as soing what you do on
> > Myspace, but getting paid for it.
> >
> > I really can't find the problem with this, considering that it's
> > free and there is nothing that you are obligated to buy. Of
course
> > I don't expect to get rich off of it or anything... but I can't
find
> > the harm in it.
> >
> > I've googled Yuwie+Scam, along with a few other variations.
Still
> > found nothing really bad...
> >
> > If you are not familiar with it, here's my link. You can check
it
> > out there. http://r.yuwie.com/mattsmamacita
> >
> > There are a lot of ads that you have to wade through... and some
> > certain amount of spam... but nothing that costs you money if
you
> > don't mind spending the time to skip those things.
> >
> > I have seen some blogs refer to it as a MLM or Pyrimid Scheme...
so
> > that makes me a little nervous.
> >
> > Thoughts? Insights? Comments?
> >
> > (My apologies if this sounds like a "sales pitch". It's not.
This
> > is just one of the first places I check with if I am uncertain of
> > the validity of something.)
> >
>

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Re: [MLM Survivors Club] Thoughts on Yuwie?

On Thursday 10 April 2008, Vicki wrote:
> Really. Frontload Google??? Never heard of such a thing. THAT's
> interesting. Not something I would have thought about.

Several MLMs have done a good job of that. They know people will search
for the name of their group and words like scam so they create a large
number of pages that use those words over and over, just enough so
Google includes it in the index, but not enough to trip Google's
alerts.

Once they do that, then when you search for something like "Yuwie scam"
you'll get their sites instead of honest evaluations.

The fact that they now only know to do this, but have done it, is enough
to make me stay away from them.

And also, as Chip pointed out, they don't have their corporate name in
the domain registry. They've registered through domainsbyproxy.com,
which means law enforcement will find it harder to get any info on who
they are. Few corporations have any legitimate reason to do that due
to the legal nature of a corporate entity.

Hal

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Re: [MLM Survivors Club] Thoughts on Yuwie?

I am not familiar with a domain proxy. What does that do exactly,
and why would someone use it? I know that when one of my friends on
myspace posted a link, Myspace deleted the link. They have a bunch
of anti-phishing stuff in place.

--- In mlmsurvivorsclub@yahoogroups.com, chip embere
<chip_embere@...> wrote:
>
> Here's something really interesting - The "contact us" page has
only a couple of FAQs - and a form page - no address, phone numbers
or anything.
> A whois search reveals they are using a domain proxy company. They
really ARE hiding. These are the people you want to give personal
info to ?
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Vicki <v_eller@...>
> To: mlmsurvivorsclub@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 1:17:05 PM
> Subject: [MLM Survivors Club] Thoughts on Yuwie?
>
> Is anyone here using Yuwie? Any info on it as far
as whether it
> actually falls under the scam/MLM/Pyramid scheme family?
>
> I just signed up for this yesterday. It's marketed as social
> networking with a twist. And described as soing what you do on
> Myspace, but getting paid for it.
>
> I really can't find the problem with this, considering that it's
> free and there is nothing that you are obligated to buy. Of course
> I don't expect to get rich off of it or anything... but I can't
find
> the harm in it.
>
> I've googled Yuwie+Scam, along with a few other variations. Still
> found nothing really bad...
>
> If you are not familiar with it, here's my link. You can check it
> out there. http://r.yuwie. com/mattsmamacit a
>
> There are a lot of ads that you have to wade through... and some
> certain amount of spam... but nothing that costs you money if you
> don't mind spending the time to skip those things.
>
> I have seen some blogs refer to it as a MLM or Pyrimid Scheme... so
> that makes me a little nervous.
>
> Thoughts? Insights? Comments?
>
> (My apologies if this sounds like a "sales pitch". It's not. This
> is just one of the first places I check with if I am uncertain of
> the validity of something.)
>
>
>
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Re: [MLM Survivors Club] Thoughts on Yuwie?

Really. Frontload Google??? Never heard of such a thing. THAT's
interesting. Not something I would have thought about.

--- In mlmsurvivorsclub@yahoogroups.com, Hal Vaughan <hal@...> wrote:
>
> On Thursday 10 April 2008, Vicki wrote:
> > Is anyone here using Yuwie? Any info on it as far as whether it
> > actually falls under the scam/MLM/Pyramid scheme family?
> >
> > I just signed up for this yesterday. It's marketed as social
> > networking with a twist. And described as soing what you do on
> > Myspace, but getting paid for it.
> >
> > I really can't find the problem with this, considering that it's
> > free and there is nothing that you are obligated to buy. Of
course
> > I don't expect to get rich off of it or anything... but I can't
find
> > the harm in it.
> >
> > I've googled Yuwie+Scam, along with a few other variations. Still
> > found nothing really bad...
>
> I did that same search, just "Yuwie scam" and the first page I got
was
> www.yuwiescam.com and it talks about how he made it big.
>
> That there's a need to try to front load Google for such terms says
it
> all right there.
>
> Run away now.
>
> Hal
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Re: [MLM Survivors Club] Thoughts on Yuwie?

Here's something really interesting - The "contact us" page has only a couple of FAQs - and a form page - no address, phone numbers or anything.
A whois search reveals they are using a domain proxy company. They really ARE hiding. These are the people you want to give personal info to ?

----- Original Message ----
From: Vicki <v_eller@yahoo.com>
To: mlmsurvivorsclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 1:17:05 PM
Subject: [MLM Survivors Club] Thoughts on Yuwie?

Is anyone here using Yuwie? Any info on it as far as whether it
actually falls under the scam/MLM/Pyramid scheme family?

I just signed up for this yesterday. It's marketed as social
networking with a twist. And described as soing what you do on
Myspace, but getting paid for it.

I really can't find the problem with this, considering that it's
free and there is nothing that you are obligated to buy. Of course
I don't expect to get rich off of it or anything... but I can't find
the harm in it.

I've googled Yuwie+Scam, along with a few other variations. Still
found nothing really bad...

If you are not familiar with it, here's my link. You can check it
out there. http://r.yuwie. com/mattsmamacit a

There are a lot of ads that you have to wade through... and some
certain amount of spam... but nothing that costs you money if you
don't mind spending the time to skip those things.

I have seen some blogs refer to it as a MLM or Pyrimid Scheme... so
that makes me a little nervous.

Thoughts? Insights? Comments?

(My apologies if this sounds like a "sales pitch". It's not. This
is just one of the first places I check with if I am uncertain of
the validity of something.)


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Re: [MLM Survivors Club] Thoughts on Yuwie?

On Thursday 10 April 2008, Vicki wrote:
> Is anyone here using Yuwie? Any info on it as far as whether it
> actually falls under the scam/MLM/Pyramid scheme family?
>
> I just signed up for this yesterday. It's marketed as social
> networking with a twist. And described as soing what you do on
> Myspace, but getting paid for it.
>
> I really can't find the problem with this, considering that it's
> free and there is nothing that you are obligated to buy. Of course
> I don't expect to get rich off of it or anything... but I can't find
> the harm in it.
>
> I've googled Yuwie+Scam, along with a few other variations. Still
> found nothing really bad...

I did that same search, just "Yuwie scam" and the first page I got was
www.yuwiescam.com and it talks about how he made it big.

That there's a need to try to front load Google for such terms says it
all right there.

Run away now.

Hal

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