Sunday, September 2, 2007

Re: FW: Re: [MLM Survivors Club] newbee question?

On Sunday 02 September 2007, js1522@comcast.net wrote:
> Thought I would share this email response I received. I responded
> that academyteam21 needed to work on his spelling!
>
> Jenna
>
> -------------- Forwarded Message: --------------
> From: academy team21 <team21_academy@yahoo.com>
> To: js1522@comcast.net
> Subject: Re: [MLM Survivors Club] newbee – question?
> Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 11:47:26 +0000
>
> > Hi jennas,
> >
> > Refer to your email......My intelligent son.......he is the really
> > intelligent one...who can see the future of this business by his
> > humble heart not ..by the arrogant logic.........200-300 cds in his
> > bedroom are really the best investment for his business...because
> > the winner learn from the winner...who share the secrets of their
> > success in the cds....While the loosers learn how to loose from the
> > loosers......from this email.......what can Hal ..give u in the
> > next 5 to 10 years ..from now.....by not teeling the truth about
> > this business...?..Nothing is the answer

First, I have no intention of becoming a musician (even though I'm
teaching myself the saxophone), but, more importantly, I spent years
teaching. Most of that time was working with people with learning
disabilities. That meant I had to learn how people learn.

Second, Jenna is going through a tough time. She is watching her son
spend all of his income on this system. She knows that over 99.9% of
all the people who try this system fail and that something like 95% of
the people that try this go into debt and find later that they wasted
their time in the system. A lot of people who go into Amway lose tens
of thousands of dollars. On this board we have seen many people deal
with losing thousands of dollars in such systems.

As a Mother and as any kind of human being, she is going through a tough
time and knows that her son is likely to lose large amounts of money.
While this is going on, he is not going to college or taking advantage
of anything else that would lead to success. And, again, remember that
over 99.9% of people in Quackstar will fail and over 95% lose money.
You have a better chance of getting rich if you go to Las Vegas and
gamble.

This woman has a tough situation on her hands and you just write in and
tell her that the one thing she is worried about, and has every reason
to worry about (because most people in that group fail) is good and
okay.

Are you really that insensitive? Have you always been that insensitive,
or did you learn to be such a jerk from your upline? Did you have to
take lessons to be that cold hearted to someone? Is that what your CDs
and conventions and books and business tools have taught you? Is that
the kind of person that you want to be and is that the behavior that
you have learned is successful?

I'm glad Jenna has others around who will let her know she's the one
that is dealing with a hard time here and that you, Mr. Academy Team
21, are way out of line.

Yes, I'm being quite rough on you. I don't deny that. It seems a
lighter approach doesn't get through to you.

Third, and to your point: Listening to 200-300 CDs does NOT make one a
success. People don't learn that way. It makes them able to parrot
what they've heard. It does not teach them how to think or reason.
I'm doing quite well, as I've told you before, so I know how to start
and run a successful business. Succeeding in business is not about
being a parrot who can repeat what one has been told. You've been
taught that because your upline wants you to do nothing but buy CDs, go
to conventions, and do what they say. They make money on the tools and
conventions, so they tell you to keep buying more.

They've got you programmed well. You listen to what they say and don't
doubt a thing. You're so focused on getting rich that nothing else
matters and you'll jump through whatever hoops, no matter how
humiliating it is, just to do what they tell you because you think you
have a chance of being successful. Do you even know or remember that
the chances of you failing and losing a fair amount of money is more
than 99.9%? Over 95% of all people in Quackstar/Scamway lose money and
most have to drop out because of how much they lose. You say your
upslime is helping people. How helpful is it if you run a system where
more than 1 in 20 people that try go into debt instead of making money?

I've already said this on the list and in another response: Contacting
us privately as you have is not appropriate. You should be aware that
if you continue contacting us privately, we will just forward posts to
the list and respond there, if we respond at all.

Hal

> > jennasknnr <js1522@comcast.net> wrote:
> > --- In mlmsurvivorsclub@yahoogroups.com, "xxfarmhandxx"
> >
> > <xxfarmhandxx@...> wrote:
> > > Hi Loving Father, Hal, as always, has offered his usual
> > > excellent advice on how to handle your current situation.
> >
> > Let me echo Trevor's compliments to Hal. And also let me impress
> > on you to be careful approaching your wife with anything
> > "negative". My intelligent son cannot see any logic in anything I
> > say that isn't supportive of Quixtar. It is now a subject that I
> > am not allowed to bring up with him. But he continues to throw
> > hundreds of dollars a month down the drain and alienate his family
> > and friends. He limits all his other opportunities (college, job
> > advancement) in favor of this scam. He is most definitely brain
> > washed by the constant diet of the 200 or 300 cd's he has up in his
> > bedroom along with the cases and cases of energy drinks and energy
> > bars.
> >
> > I wish you luck, Loving Father. Keep checking this group site.
> > The information that I have gathered here has been very valuable.
> > I the support a life saver!
> >
> > Jenna
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
>
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