Thanks for your patience.
PW
This is just a test. Please ignore or discard.
Thanks.
PW
It is a MLM. Enough said?
Also Jack Weinzierl is a major player. He of Advantage Conferences fame.
Birds of a feather flock together.
Frank Thomas
consumeradvokate.
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On Thursday 10 April 2008, Vicki wrote:
> Is anyone here using Yuwie? Any info on it as far as whether it
> actually falls under the scam/MLM/Pyramid scheme family?
I should add something nobody has mentioned yet: I've gotten a number of
pieces of spam advertising Yuwie. I can't remember if it's just
run-of-the-mill spam or spam sent specifically to this group (which
gets a lot of spam because of the letters MLM in the group name).
Hal
I don't post much here, but this really made me have to say something.
While it may not be an MLM, it can't be a good organization if they're
using a proxy server.
[all MLMs are bad companies but not all bad companies are MLMs]
And I would have to be tortured into typing my SS# into a website.
Really. This may be legit, but as someone who deals with lots of
malware and keeps up on internet security issues, I have to ask -
why would ANYONE supply an SS# on the internet?
Their payrates have to be really really low.
I have belonged to a site called MyPoints for years. I earn points
for clicking on links they email me, which can be redeemed for gift
cards etc. I have never had to give them my SS#. And it takes months
and months to earn enough points for a $25 gas card. I have a
dedicated email addy for their mail to isolate partner spam.
Anyhow, Yuwie seems like a marketing site, not a social networking
site. Merchants will be paying for access to members. Now, it's the
same thing they do over at MyPoints, but there, they are up front
about what you are signing up for.
Please please don't download any software from them. I'm pretty
certain it would be spyware.
And good luck.
--- In mlmsurvivorsclub@
>
> Is anyone here using Yuwie? Any info on it as far as whether it
> actually falls under the scam/MLM/Pyramid scheme family?
>
> I just signed up for this yesterday. It's marketed as social
> networking with a twist. And described as soing what you do on
> Myspace, but getting paid for it.
>
> I really can't find the problem with this, considering that it's
> free and there is nothing that you are obligated to buy. Of course
> I don't expect to get rich off of it or anything... but I can't find
> the harm in it.
>
> I've googled Yuwie+Scam, along with a few other variations. Still
> found nothing really bad...
>
> If you are not familiar with it, here's my link. You can check it
> out there. http://r.yuwie.
>
> There are a lot of ads that you have to wade through... and some
> certain amount of spam... but nothing that costs you money if you
> don't mind spending the time to skip those things.
>
> I have seen some blogs refer to it as a MLM or Pyrimid Scheme... so
> that makes me a little nervous.
>
> Thoughts? Insights? Comments?
>
> (My apologies if this sounds like a "sales pitch". It's not. This
> is just one of the first places I check with if I am uncertain of
> the validity of something.)
>
> I've only been on for like two days and
> spent nothing and gave no info, but I
> already feel duped... mainly because when
> it still sounded good, I emailed it to my
> friends.
>
> Ick. ick... ick.
Yep, that's how it feels.
Glad you lost nothing in it.
PW
Vemma is health food drinks... very expensive (way over priced) and
they make lots of health claims about cures of all kinds of ailments.
It's just like the other MLM's out there... don't waste your time or
money.
Christine
--- In mlmsurvivorsclub@
>
> --- In mlmsurvivorsclub@
> <ken.hlebasko@
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I just joined this group, and i am wondering if anyone has had any
> > experience(s) with selling Vemma? what are your opinions
> >
> > Thanks in advance
> >
> hi just got this message i have no idea bout this comp.
>
Thanks Chip. I did start looking at some of the things you all
pointed out. ANd I did post in my blog on there all the things that
I learned. The whois search, the personal info... Those are the
biggies for me.
I didn't know about whois searches. I actually have a domain name
that I purchased. I ended up not using it. But I did the search on
my domain... sure enough, my name work address phone number and
email address were all there. I also searched for myspace, just as
a point of reference. They aren't hiding either, and they don't ask
for anything that personal.
I think giving a SSN to these folks would be like giving it to
someone who calls your house with an unlisted number and giving them
the same info. i wouldn't do it.
I signed up first and asked questions later because at first it
didn't feel like a MLM or scam... just social networking. But as I
got more "friends" and got more comments and read more blogs... it's
all mostly about how to get rich quick.
THAT's when I started to wonder.... then came here.
I never thought that this could be an MLM or anything close. I am
used to the product peddling types, but this is really quite the set
up. An internet based scam for an internet based world, huh?
I'm still on there and sending messages to my friends warning them
to proceed with caution and telling them what I NOW see.
I've only been on for like two days and spent nothing and gave no
info, but I already feel duped... mainly because when it still
sounded good, I emailed it to my friends.
Ick. ick... ick.
--- In mlmsurvivorsclub@
<chip_embere@
>
> Hi Vicki,
> I'm sorry my e-mail sounded a little harsh - I AM
familiar with your earlier posts - so imagine my surprise at your
posting a question here *after* signing up , and then saying you
didn't see anything wrong with it(I assumed - incorrectly perhaps -
that you had already given them your SSN - which is what got me
concerned in the first place)... Since you have been here for a
while, you do know how many people post here saying they couldn't
see anything wrong with their particular scheme.
>
> As always, the best bet(like PW pointed out) is to follow the
company owners' motive and business model - its usually very
revealing - as it is in this case - think about it!
>
> Good luck!
>
>
Hi Vicki,
I'm sorry my e-mail sounded a little harsh - I AM familiar with your earlier posts - so imagine my surprise at your posting a question here *after* signing up , and then saying you didn't see anything wrong with it(I assumed - incorrectly perhaps - that you had already given them your SSN - which is what got me concerned in the first place)... Since you have been here for a while, you do know how many people post here saying they couldn't see anything wrong with their particular scheme.
As always, the best bet(like PW pointed out) is to follow the company owners' motive and business model - its usually very revealing - as it is in this case - think about it!
Good luck!
----- Original Message ----
From: Vicki <v_eller@yahoo.
To: mlmsurvivorsclub@
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 8:31:17 PM
Subject: [MLM Survivors Club] Attention: PW or Moderator: Re: Thoughts on Yuwie?
OK Chip. I've been here for several years now and I am not a
promoter of MLM's. Your suggestion to the contrary is insulting. I
also own my own Yahoo group that is for people to get rid of their
MLM inventory and do not allow Pro-MLM posts.
The link I gave is what is on the home page when I log in, so I
copied and pasted. I don't care if you sign up or not... and you'd
have to sign up in order for it to "count".
But as to some of the things you caught, thanks. I did not see
anything where it said you needed to fill out any paperwork and
include a social. And they didn't ask for any information other than
an email address (for paypal). But perhaps they do require the other
info before sending any money. I didn't see that so far. And there
is no way I'd put in my social for such a thing. (I will look)
I guess I should have thought to read the Terms of Service, but it
just didn't occur to me over the last 24 hours. I'm just so used to
MySpace, Facebook, and those types of sites that I just didn't think
of it much differently.
I've been a myspace junkie for a while... Love it for keeping in
touch with friends... so that was the appeal... another place to play
with layouts and graphics... but I have no intention of putting
anything personal on there. Heck, I didn't even use my real last
name. HAHAHA.
Eh... I'm getting an icky feeling and trying to figure out what to do
next. Maybe I should post a "Blog" there to point out those things.
They's probably delete it, since it wouldn't be favorable for them,
but maybe at least a few people will see it before it gets deleted.
--- In mlmsurvivorsclub@ yahoogroups. com, "chip_embere"
<chip_embere@ ...> wrote:
>
> 1. You posted a request for information( maybe legit), but posted a
> link to YOUR referral page on this site!! Curious!
>
> 2. Either you didn't read the fine print or chose to ignore it.
> (For both this forum and the site you are referring to).
>
> For anybody else that may think this site is cool - Here are some
tips:
>
> a). To get paid, you need to fill a W9 and give them your SSN. I am
> pretty paranoid about ID theft, and so should you be. (Giving such
> personal info to some random website !!)
>
> b) Read clause 8 of their "Terms of Service". (While you are at it -
> read the whole thing if you have the time).
>
> c) Virtually ALL the so called "Ads" on this site are for other MLM
or
> some such "Get Rich Quick" schemes.
>
> I haven't really spent a lot of time on this, but found the 3 big
RED
> flags in 5 mins.
>
> FINALLY, PW or moderator - would you do us all a favor by deleting
the
> referral link as its against the rules of this forum ?
>
> Thanks
> Chip
>
>
> --- In mlmsurvivorsclub@ yahoogroups. com, "Vicki" <v_eller@> wrote:
> >
> > Is anyone here using Yuwie? Any info on it as far as whether it
> > actually falls under the scam/MLM/Pyramid scheme family?
> >
> > I just signed up for this yesterday. It's marketed as social
> > networking with a twist. And described as soing what you do on
> > Myspace, but getting paid for it.
> >
> > I really can't find the problem with this, considering that it's
> > free and there is nothing that you are obligated to buy. Of
course
> > I don't expect to get rich off of it or anything... but I can't
find
> > the harm in it.
> >
> > I've googled Yuwie+Scam, along with a few other variations.
Still
> > found nothing really bad...
> >
> > If you are not familiar with it, here's my link. You can check
it
> > out there. http://r.yuwie. com/mattsmamacit a
> >
> > There are a lot of ads that you have to wade through... and some
> > certain amount of spam... but nothing that costs you money if
you
> > don't mind spending the time to skip those things.
> >
> > I have seen some blogs refer to it as a MLM or Pyrimid Scheme...
so
> > that makes me a little nervous.
> >
> > Thoughts? Insights? Comments?
> >
> > (My apologies if this sounds like a "sales pitch". It's not.
This
> > is just one of the first places I check with if I am uncertain of
> > the validity of something.)
> >
>
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Curiousity and saw no risk involved. I didn't put out any cash and
didn't give any personal info. Wanted to check it out from the
inside and the outside.
--- In mlmsurvivorsclub@
<gatorboy1326@
>
> if you were uncertain of it's validity, why did you
> sign up?
>
>
> --- Vicki <v_eller@...
>
> > Is anyone here using Yuwie? Any info on it as far
> > as whether it
> > actually falls under the scam/MLM/Pyramid scheme
> > family?
> >
> > I just signed up for this yesterday. It's marketed
> > as social
> > networking with a twist. And described as soing
> > what you do on
> > Myspace, but getting paid for it.
> >
> > I really can't find the problem with this,
> > considering that it's
> > free and there is nothing that you are obligated to
> > buy. Of course
> > I don't expect to get rich off of it or anything...
> > but I can't find
> > the harm in it.
> >
> > I've googled Yuwie+Scam, along with a few other
> > variations. Still
> > found nothing really bad...
> >
> > If you are not familiar with it, here's my link.
> > You can check it
> > out there. http://r.yuwie.
> >
> > There are a lot of ads that you have to wade
> > through... and some
> > certain amount of spam... but nothing that costs
> > you money if you
> > don't mind spending the time to skip those things.
> >
> > I have seen some blogs refer to it as a MLM or
> > Pyrimid Scheme... so
> > that makes me a little nervous.
> >
> > Thoughts? Insights? Comments?
> >
> > (My apologies if this sounds like a "sales pitch".
> > It's not. This
> > is just one of the first places I check with if I am
> > uncertain of
> > the validity of something.)
> >
> >
>
>
> Jay
>
>
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I'm not looking for a way to make a quick buck. I have a job and so
does my hubby. It was more like... huh... they'd give me a few
pennies to do what I am already doing? OK, that's cool... or at
least it seems cool.
But no, I am not into paying anything for this sort of thing and I
wouldn't.
I've been signed up for a little over 24 hours... and other than what
you folks have pointed out, here are my observations.
EVERYONE is looking for ways to get people to look at their page...
and ways to generate referrals, and stuff like that. It's seeming
more insincere than the friends I've made in other forums.
There are tons of blogs and such for things like Melaleauca and
whatnot. I just say "ick" and go on to something else.
eh... Maybe I'd be better off going back to playing around on
myspace.
--- In mlmsurvivorsclub@
<paine_wwweb_
>
> > And described as soing what you do on
> > Myspace, but getting paid for it.
> >
> > I really can't find the problem with this,
> > considering that it's free and there is
> > nothing that you are obligated to buy.
>
>
> Are you thinking about what you type?
>
> Okay, so someone set up a "social networking" site, similar to
> MySpace. Fine.
>
> You say it's all free, and there's nothing anyone's "obligated" to
buy.
>
> Alarm bells are going off in my head with that one. SOMEONE has to
> buy SOMETHING in order for ANYONE to make any money with this, no
> matter how little the amount might be.
>
> So WHO will be making whatever money is generated by whatever little
> is bought? The FOUNDERS would be my first guess.
>
> WHY ON EARTH do you want to work for a pittance? You do realize, I
> trust, that whatever money you generated for yourself from this
would
> be AFTER the company got THEIRS, right?
>
> Hey, if you're into paying to be involved in a social network, knock
> yourself out. I have no problem with that. Just don't delude
> yourself into thinking this company is out to share a significant
part
> of its income with people who want to get paid in this way.
>
>
> Set up a service and earn an income from it, or buy the service and
> forget about being paid for it. Those are the safest routes.
>
>
> PW
>
Wow! Thanks. I never in a million years would have known that if I
hadn't asked. See, that's why I come here when I am not sure. I
really couldn't find the downside. Of course, I am doing a lot of
multi-tasking these days, so I miss a lot.
My little guy is almost 18 months now and sleeping in a toddler bed.
Last night, he refused to go to bed, and ended up falling asleep on
the floor in his doorway. Toddlers are so cute and so much fun. I
must be nuts... I think his tantrums are cute. I can't help but
chuckle sometimes when he says "no no no no NO!" His "serious face"
is just too adorable.
--- In mlmsurvivorsclub@
>
> On Thursday 10 April 2008, Vicki wrote:
> > Really. Frontload Google??? Never heard of such a thing. THAT's
> > interesting. Not something I would have thought about.
>
> Several MLMs have done a good job of that. They know people will
search
> for the name of their group and words like scam so they create a
large
> number of pages that use those words over and over, just enough so
> Google includes it in the index, but not enough to trip Google's
> alerts.
>
> Once they do that, then when you search for something like "Yuwie
scam"
> you'll get their sites instead of honest evaluations.
>
> The fact that they now only know to do this, but have done it, is
enough
> to make me stay away from them.
>
> And also, as Chip pointed out, they don't have their corporate name
in
> the domain registry. They've registered through
domainsbyproxy.
> which means law enforcement will find it harder to get any info on
who
> they are. Few corporations have any legitimate reason to do that
due
> to the legal nature of a corporate entity.
>
> Hal
>
