You said:
>I would urge you to not confuse your personal
> faith with allegiance to organized religion. Nobody appointed these
> people spokespersons for JC.
Chip,
While we may not have the same beliefs, I agree with your idea. Only Jesus Christ can be the example for Jesus
Christ, not some individual preaching from a pulpit. It matters not whether we are an organized religion shouting and
praising God or just a fanatical New York Yankees fan going in the grand stands shouting for the team. If individuals
within a group start to go along with the group just because they feel "safety in numbers", someone will eventually come
along who will have enough independence of mind to steer the group from original intended goal for which the group was
formed. There is comfort in knowing there is group of people think like you do, but unless you personally remember the
path you chose to achieve the idea you believed in which caused you to originally join the group, you can easily be led
astray.
You go to a game to see the New York Yankees and cheer and shout and have fun, but then someone in the group decides
that it will be more fun to jump the fence and punch the umpire. Hopefully the frenzy and euphoria you are experiencing
with the group will not cause you to forget that being in jail will be the result. It is called being responsible for
yourself.
If you believe in a God that says helping others is good, and decide that pooling your resources together as a group
is the best way to accomplish the task, it will work fine as long as all individuals are all truly seeking the same goal
in the same way. The problem comes when someone decides that the end result is no longer what they want or they are not
getting there fast enough. Maybe the rest of the group becomes too comfortable. Maybe they are just tired or lazy and
allow one of the independent thinkers in the group to change the rest of the group to achieve that individual's own
agenda. The others in the group do not stop long enough to think about the end result of their individual actions. It
may not be jumping the fence to punch the umpire. It may just be cursing at the umpire or tossing a cup on the field,
but it is now more that the others in the group were willing to do when they joined the group. Some are in the group
are too scared to think for themselves. Others are so "gung ho" that they are in a mad dash to get somewhere faster
that humanly possible. They ignore the fact that we are still all individually responsible for our own actions.
Somewhere along the way someone decided that the best way to line their pocket with money is by steering a group of
very dedicated people in a different direction a little at a time. They decided to call it Quixtar.
People who cheer for the Yankees love their team and will go to a lot of effort to support their team because they
love baseball and believe the Yankees are the best. It is a pretty strong reason to group together. But organized
religion however it probably one of the strongest reasons to group together because the individuals in it believe that
their life and the lives of others depend on believing in the ideas of that religion, making them prime targets for
Quixtar brainwashing.
The bottom line it this. No matter what we believe in we are all still ultimately responsible for our own actions
and if we do not take the time to be sure what we are keeping our eyes on the goal as individuals, we can easily be led
astray and away from our original intended purpose.
I wish all of you the best in achieving your goals in life. God bless.
James
PS. Go Houston Astros!
----- Original Message -----
From: "chip_embere" <chip_embere@
To: <mlmsurvivorsclub@
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:18 PM
Subject: [MLM Survivors Club] Re: The "Jesus" Twist -- Rant on Religion and MLM's
> I admittedly have a strong bias against all organized religion (and
> MLMs)- because it allows charlatans to control people - just like they
> are trying to do to you. I would urge you to not confuse your personal
> faith with allegiance to organized religion. Nobody appointed these
> people spokespersons for JC.
>
> One thing that MLM and organized religion(Christiani
> as any) have in common is a requirement by adherents to suspend
> judgement and believe without reservation. That is probably why MLMs
> do great business with devout Christians, and particularly(
> know why exactly) with the mormons of Utah - most MLMs are based there
> and apparently do great!
>
> MLMs are no different than organized religion - They are both about
> mind control.(Just my biased view :) ).
>
> --- In mlmsurvivorsclub@
> >
> > All right, time for another rant.
> >
> > I don't think I mentioned this in my original post, but the more I
> > think on it, the more irritated I'm getting.
> >
> > Apparently, Jesus "wants" me to do LTD. This is the latest info I've
> > gotten. LTD is apparently a "Christian" based organization. This is
> > the latest argument that has been used to er...tempt me to join.
> >
> > My friends know that I have a strong faith, and they've sunk to new
> > lows by telling me that Jesus has led me to this opportunity -- I'm
> > struggling very hard by the way, to not put everything in "" because
> > of how stupid it all sounds -- and how He would never want me to be
> > a failure in life.
> >
> > *Deep breath...count to ten...temper still boiling....*
> >
> > Also, during meetings, LTD has what are apparently called "ALTER
> > CALLS"...I'm Catholic so I have no clue what those are, but
> > apparently this is where you are invited to come up on stage and
> > accept Jesus Christ as your savior.
> >
> > During a "business meeting". Procaiming you are saved by the big J.C.
> >
> > ...
> >
> > WHAT?!?!?!?!
> >
> > Is this typical of an MLM, or is this LTD just it's own special
> > brand of crazy?
> >
>
>
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