MLM Survivors Club: December 2007

Monday, December 31, 2007

[MLM Survivors Club] Re: Quixtar/Worldwide Group

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> My parents also asked me what I would like to do with my life if
> Quixtar didn't exist. I hadn't really thought of that because I was
> so brainwashed into thinking Quixtar was it, the only way.

You DO realize you have amazingly brilliant parents, don't you??? ;-)

Deb

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[MLM Survivors Club] Re: Quixtar/Worldwide Group

>>> Could you talk more about how a parent can be supportive even
when they are repulsed by QS? Along with that, how can a parent be
supportive of their child without being a cheerleader for QS and
encouraging their child to spend more money on the system?

Hal <<<

I think my parents did a good job of supporting me without
encouraging me to spend more on building Quixtar.

They simply told me that they would back me with whatever I wanted
to do and they trusted me to make my own decision about what was
best for my life. This is very important! Them trusting me to do
what's best in my life was something that upline doesn't do (they
tell you Quixtar is the only way, period). Telling your kid that
they have the ability to decide what's best for the future and they
are capable of choosing any path is big.

Their upline, business friends, and CD's will teach them Quixtar is
the only way. Most IBO's end up thinking negative people (anybody
who isn't in Quixtar) always tell them Quixtar is a horrible way.
You should play a neutral role and say that whatever you decide is
the best way. This leaves the door open for them to ask your advice
if and when they question the business.

I could tell my parents hated Quixtar. However, they didn't
alienate me by speaking openly about their negative feelings. They
dropped hints like "I wish you would spend more time with your
family and old friends." They also didn't make things easy on me by
giving me money to spend on the system.

Best ways to support your kid even though you hate Quixtar:

1) Don't enable them financially. If they want to put on the big boy
britches to build a business make them figure out money themselves.
Finances are an endurance sport. With Quixtar, your kid will surely
get tired of losing and start to question what they're doing (took
me 2 years). Their credit score will recover eventually.
2) Tell them you'll support their dreams no matter what. Always be
on their side.
3) Drop subtle questions and/or hints that lets them know you may
consider Quixtar as not the best opportunity in the world ...
refrain from being outright negative (e.g. I know you said that in
2008 you would clear 50K, do you think that will happen? How much
profit did you clear for 2007 on your taxes? Is the business
growing as fast as you would like?

#3 is tricky to do while still being supportive. That's why you
have to subtly let them know you think Quixtar is a bad deal for
them. Don't Quixtar bash. I always felt like my parents were
still "on my side" even though they I could tell they didn't
necessary like Quixtar. Because they were silently against Quixtar
I felt like I could go to them. When I started doubting my future
as a super awesome double platinum triple Diamond IBO I went to them
first. It was a confusing time and young people will look to their
parents when they start questioning upline.

My parents also asked me what I would like to do with my life if
Quixtar didn't exist. I hadn't really thought of that because I was
so brainwashed into thinking Quixtar was it, the only way. Ask your
kid this question and be excited to support them if they would do
this. Doing anything besides Quixtar is scary for IBO's... but if
you plant that seed and show support it will empower them to do
something else

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Re: [MLM Survivors Club] Re: Quixtar/Worldwide Group

On Monday 31 December 2007, matthew7_15 wrote:
...
> My parents basically did 2 things when they found out I was in
> Quixtar. 1) They cut financial support and told me I was on my own.
> 2) They remained emotionally supportive (this is huge).
>
> By cutting financial support I had to take responsibility for my
> finances. Balancing my own checkbook and supporting myself made me
> realize what a bad deal the business was for my bank account, as
> well as to the people I was showing the plan to.
>
> My biggest tip to you is remain supportive of your son. Much to his
> uplines delight, has burned all his bridges and staked his future on
> Quixtar. As his parent, you can provide a back door and a way out
> for him. I guarantee he has thought about quitting in the back of
> his mind. I know I did, even when showing the plan to 50 or more
> people at our open meeting.
>
> One thing that kept me in so long is the fact that I quit school and
> told all my friends that I was going to be rich so it didn't
> matter. The thought of quitting Quixtar and "starting over" with
> school and my life plans was really scary. However, I knew my
> parents would be supportive and help me if I decided to quit. They
> were in a sense my back up plan, my only way out.
>
> I would suggest you tell your son he is on his own financially if he
> continues to build Quixtar. Best way to do this without
> being "negative" is to to simply say if you're adult enough to run a
> business you should be adult enough to support yourself. Also tell
> him that if he ever decides to quit that you will be there to help
> him redirect his life whatever way he chooses. Tell him you will
> support him with anything he chooses to do, Quixtar or not (God
> knows his upline and business friends won't). Plant that seed and
> let it grow. When he maxes out all of his credit cards, is 4 months
> late on rent (like I was!), and his business hasn't grown in 6
> months; his other life options will look much better and he will
> come looiking for a way out. If you're there as a support (rather
> than a person he is trying to prove wrong) it will aid his decision
> to quit.
>
> One other thing... if you talk negatively about Quixtar or any
> aspect of it he will stop listening to you, period. He is being
> trained to not listen to negativety, even from parents. I had 5
> people in my group drop out of college as well. I was a tool in
> training them not to listen to negative parents. If you want to
> have any credibility at all in his decision making be supportive
> (doesn't mean you have to give him money though).

You've made some great points and made them differently than anyone else
on this group has made.

Could you talk more about how a parent can be supportive even when they
are repulsed by QS? Along with that, how can a parent be supportive of
their child without being a cheerleader for QS and encouraging their
child to spend more money on the system?

Hal

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[MLM Survivors Club] Re: Quixtar/Worldwide Group

Jenna I may have some insight here. I got involved with Quixtar as
a 20 year old college student. I was in for over 2 years and my
parents were actually a huge help in getting me out. Like your son
I spent all my extra money on CD's, products, and gas money to drive
all over to show the plan to new prospects. I ended up being a
model IBO and even spoke at open meetings and team meetings.

I got in business right before my junior year of college. I had a
3.5 cumulative GPA at a flagship state university at the time. My
first semester jr year I pulled a 2.5 GPA and second semester was a
pitiful 0.95 (cumulative was stil around 3.0). I dropped out of
school after that semester to get a full-time job and focus on my
business with only 23 hours left to graduate. I stopped associating
with my friends who weren't in and burned all my bridges. I'm sure
you understand how my parents felt!

After a year and a half of working in sales, I quit the business and
re-applied to the same university. I will be finishing my degree
this year. I say my parents played a huge part in this process.

My parents basically did 2 things when they found out I was in
Quixtar. 1) They cut financial support and told me I was on my own.
2) They remained emotionally supportive (this is huge).

By cutting financial support I had to take responsibility for my
finances. Balancing my own checkbook and supporting myself made me
realize what a bad deal the business was for my bank account, as
well as to the people I was showing the plan to.

My biggest tip to you is remain supportive of your son. Much to his
uplines delight, has burned all his bridges and staked his future on
Quixtar. As his parent, you can provide a back door and a way out
for him. I guarantee he has thought about quitting in the back of
his mind. I know I did, even when showing the plan to 50 or more
people at our open meeting.

One thing that kept me in so long is the fact that I quit school and
told all my friends that I was going to be rich so it didn't
matter. The thought of quitting Quixtar and "starting over" with
school and my life plans was really scary. However, I knew my
parents would be supportive and help me if I decided to quit. They
were in a sense my back up plan, my only way out.

I would suggest you tell your son he is on his own financially if he
continues to build Quixtar. Best way to do this without
being "negative" is to to simply say if you're adult enough to run a
business you should be adult enough to support yourself. Also tell
him that if he ever decides to quit that you will be there to help
him redirect his life whatever way he chooses. Tell him you will
support him with anything he chooses to do, Quixtar or not (God
knows his upline and business friends won't). Plant that seed and
let it grow. When he maxes out all of his credit cards, is 4 months
late on rent (like I was!), and his business hasn't grown in 6
months; his other life options will look much better and he will
come looiking for a way out. If you're there as a support (rather
than a person he is trying to prove wrong) it will aid his decision
to quit.

One other thing... if you talk negatively about Quixtar or any
aspect of it he will stop listening to you, period. He is being
trained to not listen to negativety, even from parents. I had 5
people in my group drop out of college as well. I was a tool in
training them not to listen to negative parents. If you want to
have any credibility at all in his decision making be supportive
(doesn't mean you have to give him money though).

Best of luck and Happy New Year!

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Saturday, December 29, 2007

[MLM Survivors Club] Melalueca

Has anyone here had any experiences with Melalueca? Was signed up but
got out. Keep receiving email about how well Canadians are doing with
it. Any advice?

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Saturday, December 22, 2007

[MLM Survivors Club] What happened to Neways & Tom Mower?

Was reading somewhere Tom Mower sold newways for hundreds of millions
and then started Sisel. Now lawsuits are flying but im curious what's
the update?

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Friday, December 21, 2007

Re: [MLM Survivors Club] MLM Survivors Club

As Hal suggested, the archives have plenty of Quicksand testimonials. In addition, www.mlmwatch.org has links to sites that analyze the Am/Quix business - There is also a free book you can download called "Merchants of Deception" - specifically about Am/Quix. I have been told the book has opened the eyes of many Am/Quix "IBOs".

Good luck!

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From: tracycole88 <tracycole88@yahoo.com>
To: mlmsurvivorsclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 7:40:26 PM
Subject: [MLM Survivors Club] MLM Survivors Club

Is there anyone out there that has been involved in Quixtar and gotten

out for all the right reasons? I would be very interested in hearing

your story and possibly having my friend that's involved hear it as

well so that he may see it in a different light and get out ASAP.

Thanks for any help!







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Thursday, December 20, 2007

Re: [MLM Survivors Club] Kind Attention of All The Group Members: I Humbly Request Everybody's Kind HELP!

On Wednesday 19 December 2007, nazar_firdaus wrote:
> I am NAZAR,firstly i am kindly requesting please be with me little
> time to hear my LIFE STORY! Please! i was doing my own business
> before and it's floped. Left with 'Big Financial Burden'. Then i was
> struggling too much with many finanical problems somebody told me
> that doing MLM will solve all the problems. I tried one and another
> and another...... many but nothing succeed. The only way left going
> to work but as you know it was not only solving problems but also
> finding very difficulties to meet the two end. Then now recently agin
> i came back to MLM by introducing my friend but it was toooo slow
> and stoped now. Then he brought another one that giving hope and
> start generating little income even slowly and there is hope it will
> success but only the problem is downbuilders/referrals. So any body
> can help me in any way please! i am begging to you all.

We have seen, over and over, as you have seen, that MLMs just don't
work. They're designed to take money from the low level people and
funnel it to the high level people, all the while convincing people
that they will soon be at the top and making money.

The best thing any of us can do to help you is to encourage you to GET
OUT NOW! Yes, get out before you put more money in it.

> Friends! i
> dont want to be rich just to survive first then if i can solve
> the 'financial burdens' (i had due to business flop) before i die!
> That is all freinds!

It looks like what's happened to you is that you found yourself with a
large debt and you're looking for a fast way to pay it off. MLMs do
not work that way. If it were really easy to just use a magic formula
and get rich, don't you think it'd be well known? If these things
really did work and make all who entered them wealthy AND helped the
people "higher up" in the pyramid, wouldn't they just start advertising
on TV and everywhere else?

There is no easy or sure fire way to get rich quick. Honestly, you have
a better chance getting rich in a casino than in an MLM. I've looked
at the figures for how many people do well in an MLM and the odds show
that you've got a better chance of getting rich playing blackjack or
some other card game at a casino.

To be honest, if you want to pay off the debt, you'll need to do it the
old fashioned way: find a good job that pays well. Or, better yet,
find a good job that you love and want to do. Then you'll enjoy it and
do well at it.

Sorry for being so cold-hearted, but that's the bottom line. Nobody
here will want to help you with an MLM because we've all seen what a
pack of lies all of them are.

Hal

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What are the "right" reasons?? I got out for "my" reasons: The
business tends to fall apart if you don't work it HARD - Quixtar's own
statistics say for every 2 people you sign up - 2 will NOT renew the
following year.

I was frustrated by not being able to run my "independent" Amway
business in a manner that was VERY successful for another real
business that I owned.

I also walked away from a 6-figure income from Amway (our downline was
the largest active group in Amway/Quixtar) because I was sick of what
the AMOs do to unsuspecting IBOs - there is NO WAY someone starting
out can make a profit when the expenses of dubious AMO "training"
outweigh what they can sell. And I experienced firsthand the lie that
an IBO can "retire" on their Amway income.

And finally - I saw what few ever do: what is the value of an Amway
Business?? If you truly want to retire, you'll need to sell your
business - and you'll be shocked at how little it's actually worth,
compared to other "real" businesses.

Deb

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<tracycole88@...> wrote:
>
> Is there anyone out there that has been involved in Quixtar and gotten
> out for all the right reasons? I would be very interested in hearing
> your story and possibly having my friend that's involved hear it as
> well so that he may see it in a different light and get out ASAP.
> Thanks for any help!
>

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Wednesday, December 19, 2007

[MLM Survivors Club] MLM Survivors Club

Is there anyone out there that has been involved in Quixtar and gotten
out for all the right reasons? I would be very interested in hearing
your story and possibly having my friend that's involved hear it as
well so that he may see it in a different light and get out ASAP.
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[MLM Survivors Club] Kind Attention of All The Group Members: I Humbly Request Everybody's Kind HELP!

I am NAZAR,firstly i am kindly requesting please be with me little
time to hear my LIFE STORY! Please! i was doing my own business
before and it's floped. Left with 'Big Financial Burden'. Then i was
struggling too much with many finanical problems somebody told me
that doing MLM will solve all the problems. I tried one and another
and another...... many but nothing succeed. The only way left going
to work but as you know it was not only solving problems but also
finding very difficulties to meet the two end. Then now recently agin
i came back to MLM by introducing my friend but it was toooo slow
and stoped now. Then he brought another one that giving hope and
start generating little income even slowly and there is hope it will
success but only the problem is downbuilders/referrals. So any body
can help me in any way please! i am begging to you all. Friends! i
dont want to be rich just to survive first then if i can solve
the 'financial burdens' (i had due to business flop) before i die!
That is all freinds!
Thank you very much for spending your 'Valuable Time' to hear my
story and once more i am kindly requesting your KIND HELP for some
referrals. That is all for now. I take this opportnity to WISH THE
MODERATOR OF THIS GROUP AND ALL THE MEMBERS 'MERRY X'MAS & VERY HAPPY
NEW YEAR' ALL THE BEST WISHES FOR 2008.
Nazar
nazar_firdaus@yahoo.com

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