Sunday, December 2, 2007

Re: [MLM Survivors Club] Re: need advice

Steve,
I am rather impressed by your willingness to speak your mind - in an inexplicably testy environment - I have been in this forum a few months, and haven't seen much of that ;)..

However, I would like to disagree with you and maybe this will lead to a better debate :) (hoping).

1. Given the 10s of thousands of people that go in and out of MLM every year, its impossible to put them all in the same category - especially with respect to personality traits.
2. You ARE speaking to people(mostly - I have not been in an MLM) that HAVE changed. So I don't think anybody here will tell you that the MLMs are the only ones that need to change.
3. You do not seem to take into account the fact that most people are not recruited into MLMs by the MLM, but by friends, family and other trusted entities - To ignore the power of persuasion of people close to you is IMHO oversimplifying the scenario. So, its simply not true that people get into MLM just because they have some dark skeletons in their cupboard or because they need to fundamentally change something. If anything, I think a lot of people that get into MLM do so because they readily trust the judgement of people close to them - and this is what the MLM companies exploit.
4. I will grant you that most people in MLMs (that I have come across - pl. note disclaimer) seem to readily participate in disingenuous schemes like "fake it till you make it". So in that sense I concede your point.
5. Finally, people come to MLM from every conceivable field - including people with very high self-esteem, people who are already extremely wealthy, people who are already successful in other fields, home builders hoping to do some good and earn some cash while at home, and also others who are just hoping to get rich using this scheme. While nobody here will argue with you that MLMs are evil, it is impossible to characterize all the people who get in as any one thing - unless its the hope that they can make it big with MLM. In fact, its not even true that MLMs destroy your self-esteem in every case - I find thats not true either.

good luck!

----- Original Message ----
From: steve.indepass <steve.indepass@yahoo.com>
To: mlmsurvivorsclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2007 6:13:55 PM
Subject: [MLM Survivors Club] Re: need advice

--- In mlmsurvivorsclub@ yahoogroups. com, <angelhelp777@ ...> wrote:

> All in all Amway/Quixtar is a very evil

> organization bening run by a few hand-selected evil people who have trapped

> hundreds of thousands of unspecting good people and brainwashed them into

> thinking their only way out of a failed lifestyle is Amway.

I've only been on this forum for a little while, but I've already rubbed a few people up the

wrong way by suggesting that the idea that 'evil MLM does awful things to perfectly

healthy innocent, good people' is itself instrumental in how and why MLM keeps dragging

people into its maw.

How?

Because from that point of view, you don't have to change. MLM does. OK - you're entitled

to see it that way.

But for a minute, just imagine (however unpleasant this is) that there WAS something

about you that made you susceptible to MLM. If that were true but your 'innocent victim'

point of view shielded you from looking at it, you'd never change it and you'd remain

vulnerable to exploitation by MLM / NW opportunities.

Whatever your reaction to my post, we can probably agree that in principle your bad

experiences in MLM either DO have something to do with you or they DON'T.

Trust me, I'm as anti-MLM as any of you. In my view, if MLM is evil, its not because it

takes innocent, sweet people and abuses them, it's because it takes damaged, needy

people and exploits them.

Believing that MLM came along and destroyed your otherwise healthy self-esteem is - in

my view - a form of denial that keeps you vulnerable, and our society from seeing exactly

how and why MLM is so destructive.

The same argument, btw applies to alcohol, drugs, cigarettes, gambling, porn - you name

it.

Replacing Amway / Quixtar with 'cocaine trade' in the original quote might be thought-

provoking:

' All in all, the cocaine trade is a very evil organization bening run by a few hand-selected

evil people who have trapped hundreds of thousands of unspecting good people and

brainwashed them into thinking their only way out of a failed lifestyle is cocaine'

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