On Saturday 01 December 2007, paine_wwweb_
> > You are missing a VERY important
> > point here: MLMs know how to
> > deceive and mislead a lot of people.
> > It's not based on being damaged, need
> > to see a counselor, being ignorant,
> > or anything else.
>
> Hal, I know what you're trying to say, here, and I agree with most of
> it.
>
> I will only differ with you on one point: ignorance. The MLM leaders
> RELY UPON ignorance in order for the rest of their pitch to work. If
> everyone was fully aware (NOT ignorant) of MLM and the harm it has
> caused, the entire industry would probably collapse.
>
> We cannot know everything about everything, and it's those gaps in an
> individual's knowledge that allows such an elaborate scam to work.
> That's why the only way the industry will be reformed or outlawed is
> for government to step in and put a stop to the abuses. That's why
> those of us who participate in these forums need to take any
> opportunity we can to let our neighbors, friends, elected officials
> and anyone else with whom we come into contact hear about it.
There are two good points. Yes, I overlooked the issue of ignorance.
Just as importantly, you point out that we can't know everything about
everything. I didn't join when my gf took me to the open meeting
because, in spite of all the temptation and presentation and everything
that went with it, before I went, I spent some time with Google and
knew what to expect and knew that even if it wasn't a fraud, there was
no reason to sacrifice a business I had built on my own that was paying
the bills, and would be able to do much better, for something that
might or might not work for me. Thanks to Google, I did not go into
that meeting ignorant!
It's also important to remember that none of us can know everything
about everything. Many of us in this group were in an MLM before
search engines. It's hard keep a perspective on just how much life has
changed in the past 10-12 years. In 1995 most people didn't have the
Internet or had even heard of it. Now we count on it as part of our
lives and many of us, if we have questions of anything, we go to a
search engine and check it out.
Even with that in mind, the open meetings of QS are pretty good at
playing emotional tricks on people. They don't want to tell you what
the meeting is about until you're there and they do a good
song-and-dance about how you'll find a lot of people saying bad things
because they're jealous.
Even with all that, if you search for the right terms for an MLM, many
of them have gone out of their way to front load search engine results
so you're likely to get results they want you to see instead of honest
opinions.
> I've sent letters to my attorney general. I've submitted letters to
> lawyers. I've contributed to Eric Scheibeler's legal fund. My wife
> and I appeared on Dateline NBC to speak out about MLM. I was
> approached by an editor at Playboy Magazine (Owning this board has
> its privileges - wink, wink.)about writing a response to an article
> they published a few months ago about MLM. I'm sure other
> opportunities will appear for me in the future.
Can you share more with us about the article for Playboy? I don't think
you've mentioned that before. Is the article upcoming or already
printed?
> But I'm only one person. And one of my primary goals for this group
> is to make sure that everyone who visits here understands WHY we are
> here and what we are fighting. That way, more people will have to
> tools they need (forgive the pun) to assist in the greater goal of
> bringing an end to abusive MLMs.
>
> Steve, as a new member of this group, I don't expect you to
> understand all of this yet. But I do expect you to refrain from
> making blanket judgments about people you don't know. I can assure
> you that you have NO IDEA about who most of the people here are and
> what they have accomplished outside of MLM.
That's always wise and, honestly, to make a statement about why people
join MLMs to a group that is composed mostly of people that have been
in them is, to put it gently, unwise. Steve seems well educated. I
hope he stays around long enough to see why we have told him his views
are uninformed. (And yes, I know I'm talking in third person, but I'm
also aware he'll likely read what I've written. No offense, Steve.)
Hal
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