MLM Survivors Club: Re: [MLM Survivors Club] Re: Melalueca

There are some differences.

You can work for a corporation and make less than the
CEO, but the corporate compensation plan is not
specifically designed to insure that almost all at
lower levels cannot make any money. It is not designed
to take money from the employees and pass it upstream.
And your position and income in the company is a
function of your work and results, not just how early
you got in.

Same with the brick and mortar business comparison.
Sure, it requires an investment, but if you are
creative, ot come up with the killer application, you
can grow a successful business. MLM's stifle such
creativeness. Why do MLM's prohibit selling on the
greatest sales tool ever developed - the internet?
because they really don't want to have to produce
large quantities of the junk they claim will cure
every illness or clean everything known to man. They
want you and the family and friends you suck in to buy
the 20 or 40 bucks a month it takes to earn the 20%
discount on items with a 1000% markup.

Think about it. If you have this great product, why
would you want to sell it in the most inefficient
manner possible? Through unqualified housewives, one
or two items at a time? People whose only
qualification is that they joined up? If the MLM
company truly had a great, or even a good product, why
wouldn't they take it to Wal Mart or Target and sell
it by the containerload? That is a much less expensive
and more efficient way to sell products, but no real
retailer would actually buy the junk offered by most
MLM's.

Take a look at the products they sell - supplements
and miracle cures (none of whom have bothered to run
their products through FDA or any kind of testing, and
who exist only through a loophole that Congress should
close); prepaid legal services (the rip off of the
century - no legitimate lawyer would do this); and, of
all things, travel consultants. We used to have travel
consultants - we called them agents, and the internet
put them all out of business.

This is an insidious industry, which rips off
well-intentioned but naive people and literally
destroy families. Their comp plans are rigged against
their membership, and the concept mathematically
certain to fail for almost everyone involved.

--- im_tam <getremembered@gmail.com> wrote:

> I have been watching and reading this group for a
> long time. And
> silently I have heard so many different people and
> feelings about MLM
> come across here.
>
> But this one, I had to say something.
>
> Answer me this:
> What kind of business do you think you can get into
> that requires you
> to do nothing, buy nothing, invest nothing, no
> training, and then
> earn money?
> I mean seriously....you couldn't set yourself up in
> a brick and
> mortar business this way, franchise (which flows to
> the top as well,
> by the way), and expect money just to come to you?
> If you want a McDonalds business, you better have
> been trained about
> what the heck you should do to make it work on all
> levels, don't you
> think?
> Wouldn't it be ridiculous to think they should just
> hand you over the
> products and equipment to run the business of any
> kind at no cost to
> you?
> Do you really honestly believe that you shouldn't be
> a product of the
> product, no one it takes like, feels like, actually
> does? I mean how
> can you sell a burger, a coffee, lotion, a vitamin,
> get well card,
> car, house, anything if you haven't used one or
> tried it?
> I know I wouldn't invest my money in a stock broker
> that has never
> bought or traded stock on his own, nor would I think
> it right that he
> should expect payment because he feels entitled to
> it. It requires
> work, not matter the business AND money. I mean
> guys, come on....
>
> And as far as the 99%+ that don't make money, that's
> not exactly
> accurate..But to prove a point, let's look at
> traditional business.
> 80% of businesses fail in their first 2 years. Now
> these are guys
> that KEEP WORKING on their business and it finally
> fails somewhere in
> the 1st 2 years. That also applies to the network
> marketing business,
> doesn't it? Sure it does. You're buying a
> mini-franchise so why
> shouldn't you feel obligated to work it?
> So what happens to the tradional 20% that are still
> in business after
> 2 years? Another 80% fail before they make it to 5
> years. And that is
> the same in the network marketing business too.
> See where the numbers say that 'so many have failed'
> are for several
> reasons.
> One, they don't feel they 'owe' this business of
> their choosing
> anything. And then wonder why it doesn't grow like
> the magic
> beanstalk thrown out the window.
> Two, they really do try, they do all they can as
> they muddle around
> in this new business, but they are doing it all
> wrong. It's not their
> fault, their heart is most definitely in it, but
> they are doing it
> all wrong and no matter how much they 'love' the
> business it won't
> keep a burger joint in business doing it all wrong
> either.
> There is a right way of doing this business, but the
> truth is, its
> not being taught in mainstream network marketing. It
> is in the
> boardroom, it is in the corporate circles - they get
> how to build
> success, but for some reason people expect to pay
> for the brick and
> mortar business, but not for the 'home business' or
> 'online business'
> that they choose. It's a very very broken way of
> thinking. And folks,
> it only breeds instand failure. I mean you might as
> well not even
> sign up for ANY and I mean ANY 'business' if you
> aren't going to work
> it like a business, invest in it like a business,
> stick with it like
> a business, learn how to do it right so you actually
> profit.
> Third, They quit before they have even begun. Can
> you imagine saying
> to CEO of McDonalds, "Dude, it's been 3 months and I
> have not made my
> investment back, much less have an income that will
> replace my job,
> so I quite!" Are you kidding me? That's how silly
> this all sounds and
> how damaging it is to think this way.
>
> Now, I have been in MLM's of different kinds for 20
> years +. I've
> seen the Good, the Bad, and the really Ugly...I have
> also worked
> Corporate America, and guess what? I've see the
> Good, the Bad, and
> the very very ugly. No what I found? Idiots exist in
> every place you
> go. So do really amazing people. You can and will
> find them and have
> to deal with them. You can whine about that or you
> can just learn
> that is life and move on. What I'm saying is, there
> is huge
> possibilities in franchising oneself in network
> marketing as a viable
> business or you can go and get yourself a donut
> shop. It makes no
> difference to me. But they are the same model.
>
> Now let's address the Pyramid scheme issue. Some
> losers exist in
> every single type of business you can imagine. ALL
> OF THEM have
> morons that ruin it for the other guys. So what?
> That doesn't undo
> the vast number that really are trying to do
> something good or have a
> good business. Now you don't buy from every business
> in your town do
> you? No, just the ones that you like or are your
> favorites. That
> doesn't make the others 'bad', just not the ones you
> go to. But
> obviously someone does because they are still in
> business. Right?
> Right. And then there is the issue of have any of
> you people that cry
> foul with companies keeping percentages of profits
> please explain to
> me the classic all time pyramid of CEO, Vice
> President, Supervisors,
> Managers, Employees??? You don't think that there is
> more 'zeros' in
> the paychecks at the top than you are getting from
> your J-O-B?
>
> Listen, the truth is, if the people that whined
> about the business
> they have chosen to get into then get out. Do your
> group, team,
> upline, downline, whatever you want to call them a
> favor and just
> quit. Just like I would tell an employee that whines
> because he
> doesn't want to work in my store and just sit in the
> bench and still
> get a paycheck or is just a negative rain cloud
> everywhere he goes.
> You'd be fired! So why should you be treated any
> differenlty if you
> are acting like that in your network marketing
> business? You think
> you are owed something? YOU CHOSE IT.
>
> For those that want to learn network marketing the
> right way, its a
> great business and anyone that wants to learn the
> burger business can
> succeed too, its a great business I'm told. You get
> my point? It's
> not just luck. Not anymore than the traditional
> business is luck. And
> it's not just that you were failed by network
> marketing. A lot of
> people fail their own venture in MLM. That's the
> cold hard facts.
> I've seen it, been there done that, got the t-shirt,
> the mug, the
> watch, you name it.
>
> Do I think there are schmoes out there that will
> spoil things if they
> can? Yep. If you let them or are looking for them,
> consciously or
> unconsciously.
> I know some of those type in my school, my church,
> my neighborhood
> too. It's the ones that succeed that just don't hang
> with
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