MLM Survivors Club: Re: [MLM Survivors Club] Re: Melalueca

Saturday, January 5, 2008

Re: [MLM Survivors Club] Re: Melalueca

On Saturday 05 January 2008, jennasknnr wrote:
> --- In mlmsurvivorsclub@yahoogroups.com, Hal Vaughan <hal@...> wrote:
> > On Saturday 05 January 2008, jennasknnr wrote:
> > > --- In mlmsurvivorsclub@yahoogroups.com, Hal Vaughan <hal@> wrote:
> > > > Do you really honestly believe that you shouldn't be a product
> > > > of the product, no one it takes like (I guess you mean, knowing
> > > > what it
> > >
> > > tastes like?), feels like, actually does?
> > >
> > > I just have to be a smart-alec here and say, "What the heck does
> > > this sentence mean?" It sounds good, but how can you be a product
> > > of the product? Is the product making you something? I'm not
> > > going to even bother with logic on this.
> > >
> > >
> > > Well, my kid certainly took this point to heart. He is about 6
> > > feet tall and maybe 130 pounds..not that he doesn't tend to be
> > > thin, but he lives on energy bars and energy drinks and more
> > > Quixtar crap. His skin is a total wreck, since he will only use
> > > "his products". He has to buy these things and use them, I think
> > > he is the only customer he has. I'm praying that he paid his
> > > first rent on the 1st. He usually doesn't have an extra dime
> > > left over after he buys the over inflated products he sells.
> >
> > He might actually be better off if he didn't pay his rent. The
> > sooner he runs into trouble, the sooner he'll realize it just isn't
> > working. I'm not saying this to be mean, but if he can keep paying
> > all the bills, he might not see how successful he could be if he
> > dropped it.
> >
> > Hal
>
> Then he'd be back on my doorstep. He will not be allowed back in
> this house if he continues to stay involved with Quixtar. But it is
> terrifying to think of my kid living in his car or something. God
> know he has nowhere to go. He has burned all of his bridges.

As I said, I'm not trying to be cold or unfeeling. I've seen a lot of
problems like this, including dealing with an alcoholic in my own
family who didn't "wake up" until literally waking up one morning in a
psych ward in an area of town she thought was the local ghetto
(actually, it has some nice houses there, including some pre-Civil War
historical sites that I managed as a landlord at one point and it's
also not far from St. John's Church where some guy gave some speech
about liberty or death). The key point was waking up in a perceived
ghetto and realizing she was being treated like everyone else in the
ward.

The sad truth is people in addictive situations or who are in some form
of denial, as is the case with your son, just have to hit bottom before
they change. Bottom is different things for different people. For my
relative, it was waking up in what she thought was the ghetto. The
more trouble your son has financially while in QS, the faster he'll be
likely to hit bottom. If he has to come back to you, then he's ready
to listen to you. Just don't take an "I told you so" attitude and use
questions to get him to realize what's going on instead of telling him.

For example, if he loses his apartment, ask, "But what about your
friends? You've told me that they're completely behind you. Don't
they believe in you and QS enough to let you rent from them for the
time it'll take before you can afford your own place?

> BTW, what the heck does dichotomy mean??

Two sides to the issue, or two parts. I was using it because there is
often a split in MLM members where they will say something like, "It
beats working for a living," then the next minute say, "I don't mind
hard work." In this case it's also a contradiction.

Hal