Friday, February 29, 2008

[MLM Survivors Club] Re: Former Emerald

A Used car salesman !?! Well at least now he has a much more
respectable job.

Robby

--- In mlmsurvivorsclub@yahoogroups.com, "Jim" <kouryjr@...> wrote:
>
> Well, I found out the other day that one of my upline Emeralds is
now
> selling used cars due to Don Storms' corruption and just the
> corruption in the Scamway/Quackstar in general. Good for him I
say!
> What goes round comes round.
>

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Re: [MLM Survivors Club] Former Emerald

He was under Dexter

Hal Vaughan <hal@thresholddigital.com> wrote: On Friday 29 February 2008, Jim wrote:
> Well, I found out the other day that one of my upline Emeralds is now
> selling used cars due to Don Storms' corruption and just the
> corruption in the Scamway/Quackstar in general. Good for him I say!
> What goes round comes round.

What group is Don Storm in?

Hal

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Re: [MLM Survivors Club] Former Emerald

On Friday 29 February 2008, Jim wrote:
> Well, I found out the other day that one of my upline Emeralds is now
> selling used cars due to Don Storms' corruption and just the
> corruption in the Scamway/Quackstar in general. Good for him I say!
> What goes round comes round.

What group is Don Storm in?

Hal

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[MLM Survivors Club] Former Emerald

Well, I found out the other day that one of my upline Emeralds is now
selling used cars due to Don Storms' corruption and just the
corruption in the Scamway/Quackstar in general. Good for him I say!
What goes round comes round.

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Thursday, February 28, 2008

Re: [MLM Survivors Club] Re: financial security

On Thursday 28 February 2008, Sandy Wilkinson wrote:
> I am currently looking at discussion groups to see what ideas people
> come up with. It is a lot to go through though.
>
> Ana

Think of it this way: if it were that easy to make some extra money or
to pull in a good sum with part time or easy work, then that type of
work would be swamped!

Depending on how long you have until retirement, looking into investing
is always a good idea, especially during times like now when the market
is already down.

Hal

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Re: [MLM Survivors Club] Re: financial security

I am currently looking at discussion groups to see what ideas people come up with. It is a lot to go through though.

Ana

chip_embere <chip_embere@yahoo.com> wrote:
Could you elaborate on "I am in the process of looking at other
opportunities" ?

--- In mlmsurvivorsclub@yahoogroups.com, "s_wilkinson1"
<s_wilkinson1@...> wrote:
>
> I took note about the need to have a will. Useful advice, thank you.
> A related issue for me is financial security. I look at the
> instability on the global market, difficulties in the economies of the
> advanced countries and it kind of gets at me. I will not have a
> substantial pension when I am of a retiring age. I am looking for means
> of securing an extra income and making now more than I need so that I
> am able to save for the old age. I looked at Avon, Forever Living
> products and I do not see them as a solution. I am in the process of
> looking at other opportunities. Are group members interested in this,
> have they got any direct knowledge or experiece? There are many scam
> schemes going on. It is good to learn from other people's experience.
>
> Regards
>
> Ana
>

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[MLM Survivors Club] Re: financial security

Could you elaborate on "I am in the process of looking at other
opportunities" ?

--- In mlmsurvivorsclub@yahoogroups.com, "s_wilkinson1"
<s_wilkinson1@...> wrote:
>
> I took note about the need to have a will. Useful advice, thank you.
> A related issue for me is financial security. I look at the
> instability on the global market, difficulties in the economies of the
> advanced countries and it kind of gets at me. I will not have a
> substantial pension when I am of a retiring age. I am looking for means
> of securing an extra income and making now more than I need so that I
> am able to save for the old age. I looked at Avon, Forever Living
> products and I do not see them as a solution. I am in the process of
> looking at other opportunities. Are group members interested in this,
> have they got any direct knowledge or experiece? There are many scam
> schemes going on. It is good to learn from other people's experience.
>
> Regards
>
> Ana
>

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[MLM Survivors Club] Re: Going fishing!

--- In mlmsurvivorsclub@yahoogroups.com, <angelhelp777@...> wrote:

> For those of you who wish to tell me to just pay back my debt, I
am totally willing to do so, as long as I can work for your company
from my home for minimum wage and health care for my wife. My wife is
disabled and needs checking on every few hours so I am unable to work
else where.

Have you looked into state disability and/or caregiver programs in
your state? You should consider talking with an attorney who
practices Medicaid planning.

Heidi

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[MLM Survivors Club] financial security

I took note about the need to have a will. Useful advice, thank you.
A related issue for me is financial security. I look at the
instability on the global market, difficulties in the economies of the
advanced countries and it kind of gets at me. I will not have a
substantial pension when I am of a retiring age. I am looking for means
of securing an extra income and making now more than I need so that I
am able to save for the old age. I looked at Avon, Forever Living
products and I do not see them as a solution. I am in the process of
looking at other opportunities. Are group members interested in this,
have they got any direct knowledge or experiece? There are many scam
schemes going on. It is good to learn from other people's experience.

Regards

Ana

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Wednesday, February 27, 2008

Re: [MLM Survivors Club] Re: Primerica question

On Wednesday 27 February 2008, jonathon wrote:
> Hal wrote:
> > Since there was no will, if it had not been for those TWO good
> > lawyers we had,
>
> Make that two excellent lawyers.

I won't quibble on that term.

> When a person dies without a will, it is all to common for the family
> to lose everything ---either directly, because the state claims
> priority, or indirectly, because of taxes.

Actually, and I'm not sure how much of this is state law and how much is
federal law, but if you're married there are no taxes if it all goes to
your spouse. The problem comes when your spouse dies if anything is
going to others. This part, I know, is federal: The inheritance tax is
now 45%, with certain exceptions. A person can leave a set amount to
people outside his/her marriage without it being taxed, but anything
above that is taxed at 45%. If it all goes to their spouse, then when
the spouse dies, they have that same limit.

That means the spouse can leave the same amount death later. Here's the
problem: If the husband dies first and leaves it all to his wife (which
will happen without a will), then the wife dies, her estate is bound by
that limit. If, however, when the husband dies, he leaves that amount
to his kids, AND when the wife dies, she can leave the same amount,
then they have successfully managed to leave double the amount to their
kids without paying taxes.

In other words, if the husband leaves as much as possible to the kids
and the wife does the same, that's twice as much that won't be taxed as
it would be if it all stays with the wife (or whomever the surviving
spouse is) and only the wife leaves what's left to the kids.

Then we had a mess because my sister is my Dad's step-daughter, so she
wasn't in the line-of-succession (yes, it's a mess, like tracking down
heirs to the throne) so we had to do some legal maneuvering so things
would be split between us instead of all going to me.

> If you own anything that can be inherited, make a will for somebody
> to receive it.

YES!

It is a real mess!

I'm 45, in reasonably good health (other than being overweight, in
pretty good health), don't smoke, drink red wine at times, and enjoy
exercise, go ballroom dancing 4-5 times a week, have no kids or wife,
and I still made sure my will and the appropriate trusts are set up.

After what I saw, there is no way I can stress enough: Know what you
have in terms of assets, including life insurance and MAKE OUT A WILL!

Hal

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Re: [MLM Survivors Club] Re: Primerica question

Hal wrote:

> Since there was no will, if it had not been for those TWO good lawyers we had,

Make that two excellent lawyers.

When a person dies without a will, it is all to common for the family
to lose everything ---either directly, because the state claims
priority, or indirectly, because of taxes.

If you own anything that can be inherited, make a will for somebody to
receive it.

xan

jonathon

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Re: [MLM Survivors Club] Re: Primerica question

> This same niece is the one who is now into
> Primerica, so the joke about someone saying that they know someone who
> calls all MLM's "Primaleuca" really made me laugh

lol....that's my husband and his brother who earmarked all MLMs as
Primaleuca. After they got sucked into a bus ride to a sign em up
meeting...it was a way to laugh at themselves for falling for it (this was about
15 years ago too)

As far as whether or not Primerica offers decent insurance, to me is besides
the point. Its not even a matter of trusting a MLM to provide me with decent
products or services, its about choosing what I will and will not support with
my spending dollars.

I refuse to support in any way, shape or form a network marketing business.
My support, even if in the form of being a customer only, helps them to
mislead the masses and perpetuate this faulty business model.

Someone here once accused us here of being hypocrites because while we
had such disdain for MLMs, we all probably had SOMETHING in our house
that came from a MLM; candles, personal care, etc. But the truth is, I would
go without before I would buy ANYTHING distributed via the MLM model.

Aside from the moral standpoint, you CAN get any MLM product cheaper
elsewhere. MLM products, regardless of what the company purports are
typically much higher in price than their non MLM counterparts. Its the
nature of the beast.

Lauren

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Tuesday, February 26, 2008

Re: [MLM Survivors Club] Re: Primerica question

On Tuesday 26 February 2008, bw95945 wrote:
> I also want to know if Primamerica is an okay company for life
> insurance. 20 years ago before I new what MLM was I got a life
> insurance policy from them. This is the only life insurance I and my
> husband have and we are too old to get a good deal on a new policy.
> Becky

I don't know how to say this without it sounding like I'm criticizing
you, but if you have a policy, then you have the information on it, so
it's essentially your job as the consumer to read the terms and
determine what the value is and if it'll provide what you want. Is
your goal to make sure burial costs and other end-of-life issues are
covered? If so, check on what the value is and research what the costs
will be.

It's not only a case of "Let the buyer beware," but also, in this case,
since you have the product, then you should do the research to find out
what you have and if it's going to give you what you want. If it
isn't, check with AARP. They have life insurance for the elderly.

On a related note, as someone who was in meeting with not one but TWO
lawyers yesterday to go over my will and estate arrangements, but also
as someone who has spent most of the past 14 months dealing with the
issues surrounding my Father's death and his estate (he died without a
will), this is something that should NOT be left to accepting someone
else's answers on whether or not one company provides the best life
insurance.

If you can't afford a lawyer to settle this, then the responsible thing
to do is to research it, both on the web and with books, as well as
finding out what the deal is with local laws (for example, whatever I
inherited from my Father remains mine as long as I stay in Virginia,
even if I get married, then divorced, but if I move to certain states,
THEN get a divorce, she'd get a share).

I know it's hard. It's unpleasant, but if you, or anyone else, is
concerned about whether a life insurance policy you bought years ago is
good enough, then it's time to not only review that policy and compare
it to what the costs involved with your death will be, but it's also
time to either talk to a lawyer or do some serious research. Since
there was no will, if it had not been for those TWO good lawyers we
had, my sister and I would have ended having to make sure everything
was in our Mother's name and we would be losing 45% of it in taxes when
she dies.

If I sound hot about this, I've learned that it's something that needs
to be worked out well ahead of time and I'm also surprised at the
question, since a review of the policy would answer most questions.

And, along with that, if I'm being hard nosed about it, it's because I'm
hoping I can shake a few people up so their loved ones don't have to go
through probate and a legal purgatory that is anything but fun.

Hal

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