On Saturday 09 February 2008, José Mariz wrote:
> Hello Hal,
>
> I won't for sure call anyone a loser, and i think that you
> misunderstood what i was trying to say.
You used the term lose to apply to certain people (in this case you
said, "we can either eat and spend the money with it and be "losers" or
we can not go there and eat at home."). You made specific references.
It may be there is a language issue here, but you are definitely
referring to people as losers.
If you don't want to call anyone a loser, don't make such references.
> I am trying to share some knowledge about this issue and gather some
> opinions on MLM, and maybe you are right when you say this may not be
> the correct group for doing so.
>
> I also believe that MLM companies are not all the same and to
> distinguish between them you need to research about those.
They are not all the same, but the structure encourages fraud and abuse
of the lower levels. Aggressive people will rise to the top of such an
organization and that type of person will take advantage of whatever
situations available to increase their cash flow. The MLM structure
makes it easy for them to encourage their downline to spend money on
anything that can be profitable. It encourages abuse.
> About my lack of expertise, i can be a student of management, but i'm
> really well connected too Phds, people that own their own companies
> and directors of multinational companies. I also run in the past a
> few businesses of my own, and have a good inside perspective of the
> market in general.
I have good friends in colleges and universities that have PhDs and I
know people running businesses and I keep up with other business owners
so we can share experience. What I've seen is that a PhD in business
or even, in many cases, an MBA, can mean nothing without experience.
Knowing PhDs doesn't mean you know what's going on in the real world.
The same applies for knowing people who run their own companies. I hang
out with a number of musician friends. I still can't play that sax I
have sitting in my living room.
I didn't want to play this card, but you are quite young and many of
your statements show you are willing to believe whatever your MLM
people are telling you (you also don't specify if your friends with
businesses are running MLMs or legitimate businesses). When I was 25,
I could have made many of the same statements, but 20 years later I
realize that when I was just out of college a few years and 25, I
didn't know 1/4 of what I thought I did.
I'm bringing this up because the point is, as a student, you've got
limited experience. You say you have run a few businesses. Where they
registered as actual corporations? Did you have to deal with actual
taxes and accounting? Did you make enough to make a living on them?
I'm basically short circuiting part of this to say that your statements
do show less experience and knowledge than your manner shows you think
you have.
> I don't quite agree with all the things you said but you raised some
> very valid questions for me and for the people reading this.
I didn't expect you to. I make it a point to speak the truth and I've
found people in MLMs don't want to hear the truth. They believe what
they want to hear and nothing else, no matter whether it is provable
fact or not.
> I do understand the ressentment of a lot of people against MLM and
> the need to create such a group, but i sincerely hope that all of you
> can move on with your lifes and achieve great success with the
> relationships you value in your life.
That is one major part where you are showing that you just don't have
the experience or background to know what you're talking about. If you
want to understand, then do more research. Read the stores at the
sites that are not pro-mlm. If you were really interested in dialog
and learning, then you would have looked at BOTH sides of the issue,
not just the people that say it's good. How can you know that anything
you think is true is true unless you've examined BOTH sides of the
issue well THEN, and ONLY THEN, made up your mind?
Hal
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