MLM Survivors Club: [MLM Survivors Club] Re: Melalueca

Oh Puhleaseee....

If you want to come into this club and argue for the wonderful world
of mlm at least use a novel approach. Your entire diatribe was used
by my sacmway sponsor, emerald and upperslime in 1993 almost
verbatim.

> I mean seriously....you couldn't set yourself up in a brick and
> mortar business this way, franchise (which flows to the top as
well,
> by the way),

No Sir! A brick and mortar store has customers, they pay money for
goods or services, the money then flows down to the lowest paid
employee. An mlm may claim they have customers but in reality the
vast majority of any income is from their downline, customers are
highly discouraged.

and expect money just to come to you?
> If you want a McDonalds business, you better have been trained
about
> what the heck you should do to make it work on all levels, don't
you
> think?
> Wouldn't it be ridiculous to think they should just hand you over
the
> products and equipment to run the business of any kind at no cost
to
> you?
> Do you really honestly believe that you shouldn't be a product of
the
> product, no one it takes like, feels like, actually does? I mean
how
> can you sell a burger, a coffee, lotion, a vitamin, get well card,
> car, house, anything if you haven't used one or tried it?
> I know I wouldn't invest my money in a stock broker that has never
> bought or traded stock on his own, nor would I think it right that
he
> should expect payment because he feels entitled to it. It requires
> work, not matter the business AND money. I mean guys, come on....
>
> And as far as the 99%+ that don't make money, that's not exactly
> accurate..But to prove a point, let's look at traditional business.
> 80% of businesses fail in their first 2 years. Now these are guys
> that KEEP WORKING on their business and it finally fails somewhere
in
> the 1st 2 years. That also applies to the network marketing
business,
> doesn't it? Sure it does.

The only thing that could make the 99%+ statement more accurate is
to expand the plus to include the tenths, hundredth's and thousanth
points. The 99%+ loss rate has been supported by many outside
objective studies using data from the mlm companies themselves of
which melalueca is included. Please see second hyperlink below.

http://www.ftc.gov/os/comments/businessopprule/522418-12306.pdf
http://www.pyramidschemealert.org/PSAMain/news/MythofMLMIncome.doc.pd
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You're buying a mini-franchise so why
> shouldn't you feel obligated to work it?
> So what happens to the tradional 20% that are still in business
after
> 2 years? Another 80% fail before they make it to 5 years. And that
is
> the same in the network marketing business too.

Sir you are Wrong Again! The truth is that about 50% of all new
small businesses are still operating 5 years later. Actually the
breakdown according to the SBA is 76% still operating after 2 years,
47% still operating after 4 years, and 38% operating after 6 years.
The data does not take into account how many small businesses closed
for reasons other than failure such as the owner selling or closing
the business to retire or try other ventures.

SBA Statistics:
http://www.sba.gov./advo/stats/bh_sbe03.pdf

BusinessWeek magazine
http://www.businessweek.com/smallbiz/news/coladvice/ask/sa990930.htm

> See where the numbers say that 'so many have failed' are for
several
> reasons.
> One, they don't feel they 'owe' this business of their choosing
> anything. And then wonder why it doesn't grow like the magic
> beanstalk thrown out the window.
> Two, they really do try, they do all they can as they muddle
around
> in this new business, but they are doing it all wrong. It's not
their
> fault, their heart is most definitely in it, but they are doing it
> all wrong and no matter how much they 'love' the business it won't
> keep a burger joint in business doing it all wrong either.
> There is a right way of doing this business, but the truth is, its
> not being taught in mainstream network marketing. It is in the
> boardroom, it is in the corporate circles - they get how to build
> success, but for some reason people expect to pay for the brick

Hogwash!! See above links.

> Now, I have been in MLM's of different kinds for 20 years +.

Looks like you have had a fairly high failure rate yourself.

I've
> seen the Good, the Bad, and the really Ugly...I have also worked
> Corporate America, and guess what? I've see the Good, the Bad, and
> the very very ugly. No what I found? Idiots exist in every place
you
> go. So do really amazing people. You can and will find them and
have
> to deal with them. You can whine about that or you can just learn
> that is life and move on. What I'm saying is, there is huge
> possibilities in franchising oneself in network marketing as a
viable
> business or you can go and get yourself a donut shop. It makes no
> difference to me. But they are the same model.
>
> Now let's address the Pyramid scheme issue. Some losers exist in
> every single type of business you can imagine. ALL OF THEM have
> morons that ruin it for the other guys. So what? That doesn't undo
> the vast number that really are trying to do something good or
have a
> good business. Now you don't buy from every business in your town
do
> you? No, just the ones that you like or are your favorites. That
> doesn't make the others 'bad', just not the ones you go to. But
> obviously someone does because they are still in business. Right?
> Right. And then there is the issue of have any of you people that
cry
> foul with companies keeping percentages of profits please explain
to
> me the classic all time pyramid of CEO, Vice President,
Supervisors,
> Managers, Employees??? You don't think that there is more 'zeros'
in
> the paychecks at the top than you are getting from your J-O-B?
>
> Listen, the truth is, if the people that whined about the business
> they have chosen to get into then get out. Do your group, team,
> upline, downline, whatever you want to call them a favor and just
> quit. Just like I would tell an employee that whines because he
> doesn't want to work in my store and just sit in the bench and
still
> get a paycheck or is just a negative rain cloud everywhere he
goes.
> You'd be fired! So why should you be treated any differenlty if
you
> are acting like that in your network marketing business? You think
> you are owed something? YOU CHOSE IT.
>
> For those that want to learn network marketing the right way, its
a
> great business and anyone that wants to learn the burger business
can
> succeed too, its a great business I'm told. You get my point?

"I'm told" (?!?), haven't you learned how great it is after 20+
years? Thanks, but I will take my chance on the burgers, or even
Las Vegas where the odds as lousy as they are are are vastly
grerater than mlm.

It's
> not just luck. Not anymore than the traditional business is luck.
And
> it's not just that you were failed by network marketing. A lot of
> people fail their own venture in MLM. That's the cold hard facts.
> I've seen it, been there done that, got the t-shirt, the mug, the
> watch, you name it.
>
> Do I think there are schmoes out there that will spoil things if
they
> can? Yep. If you let them or are looking for them, consciously or
> unconsciously.
> I know some of those type in my school,

Speaking of school, why don't you go pitch your mlm plan to the
local college or university's business professors and see how fast
you get laughed off campus.

my church, my neighborhood
> too. It's the ones that succeed that just don't hang with the
other
> crabs in the bucket that keep pulling
> the ones trying to move up, back down. Get my drift?

The crab line was used by my sponsor and upslime 15 years ago.

>
> There are those that no matter what, they will find a way to be a
> victim.
>

And there will always be those who blame the victim.

> There are those that no matter what, take responsibility for their
> choices to get into business - no one chained you to a chair and
beat
> you to sign a paper remember? I

That's about the only thing they didn't do. They just pestered and
hounded me for days instead.

> network marketing or no network marketing is soley a choice...A
> CHOICE.

Yeah and a poor (literally) choice it is.

> I choose not to shop at Basha's because I don't like the way the
> store is laid out and the lack of what I want there...but they
have
> great covered parking. I can't stand on the corner with my
megaphone
> crying foul because I walked into their store and stood in line
after
> pulling things off the shelf and throwing them in my cart. And
then
> they didn't follow me home, unload my car, put it away, cook it up
> and feed me, right? Right...
>
> Ridiculous...
>

No, I didn't ask them to do all that but I did expect that I would
save 30% on my purchases at cough...cough "wholesale" which scamway
promised would happen the moment I started buying from myself. What
A Lie that was.

> Business is business, it's just a matter of choice and focus.

And a Scam is a Scam, it's just a matter of which scamming mlm you
want to give your money to (or not).

Same Tapespeak different day.

Robby