Hi All, I have to say that I agree with Jennifer 100%. Here's why:
I was recruited into Amway at a low point financially in my life. It
seemed like a logical way to create revenue and therefore the
lifestyle that my wife and I dreamed of. I was personally really sold
on the residual income promises that were made as I believed that I
could work really hard for 5 years or so and retire for life with a
very comfortable income. I never really wanted a Ferrari or yacht or
mansion. Still don't.
We were perfect Ambots for a good 5 years and got absolutely NO where
in the "biz" We attended ALL functions, local and out of
town/province/
tapes, videos, tools etc. All to no avail. The funny thing is that
during this time because we were being taught to think differently
from the herd and to believe in our selves we made amazing progress
in our lives outside the "Biz". We really did break out of our way
of thinking onto a much more positive and successful track. We had
dreamed for years of owning a house but could not imagine where we
would find the downpayment and closing costs. After reading books
like "The Magic of Thinking Big" and repeatedly being exposed to
the "you can do it" attitude we found a way. (Against our upline's
wishes, I believe. lol) I sincerely believe that my current and quite
successful career was acquired because of the positive thinking and
self-confidence that I acquired in the "Biz". This boost was
something that was not readily available to us and I really believe
would not have been found by us otherwise.
We quit the business after five and a half years as we were well
aware that we were spending way way way more than we were making. I
came to the conclusion that the odds of succeeding at it were very
slim and things were going so well in the outside world that it
simply did not make sense to continue. I did not discover the mass
fraud involved until about five years after we quit and I
read "Merchants of Deception".
I am not in anyway promoting or recommending MLM as a way of
producing income or for any other reason. I personally think the
deception, mind control and milking good decent hardworking people
for everything they've got while knowing that they'll NEVER succeed
is despicable. I would really like to see Amway go down and all the
AMO kingpins go to jail. I STILL believe however that the experience
changed our lives for the better. Big time. Hardship makes you
stronger maybe? Perhaps we need non-profit public motivational
organizations to help folks break out and realize the vast
opportunities for wealth, success and happiness that is available out
there.
Sorry for the long post.
Regards, Trevor Hunt
--- In mlmsurvivorsclub@
<mickwenlock@
>
> HI Jenn (AND PIPER OF COURSE !)
>
> I think you are doing something which is fairly common among cult
survivors. I use the word "cult" deliberately of course.
>
> You say that you are the salesperson you are today because
of "thing which must not be named" - the trouble is, how do you know
that to be the case?
>
> Could it be that you are the salesperson you are today because you
are a strong individual who could learn the techniques of
salesmanship? Is it not because of who you are and what you are
capable of that you have become as good as you are?
>
> I offer this as proof - if Quixtar/Amway?
your ability now - wouldn't that mean you would be an exploitive
manipulator as well as being a good salesperson?
>
> This is, it strikes me, a case of the "post hoc, ergo propter hoc"
fallacy. Which is a fancy way of saying that it is mistake to assume
that just because one thing preceded another that it must be the
cause of it.
>
> I suspect that you have become a good salesperson in spite of
Quixtar, not because of it.
>
> Mick
>
> Jennifer <jenniferscott06@
wrote: Piper,
>
> I am the salesperson I am today because of Quix(vomit) (I cannot
say
> the name without becoming violently ill) that we were in. I
really,
> really HATE to admit that Scamway helped me in any way, but I did
> overcome any fear I had of selling I had before. I am working a
> phone sales job making a lot more money than when I just did
customer
> service. I actually enjoy sales now. The job I have is SO easy
> compared to trying to sell a total Scam that Quix-(vomit) is. We
> also talk positivly all of the time, which is a good thing.
> But, the church we attend promotes speaking positively as
something
> we should do as Christians and we use reference from the Bible, so
I
> cannot let Quix-vomit take ALL of the credit for that positive
> influence in our lives. It was just a catalyst to spur a positive
> growth spurt in our lives.
>
> Don't tell my husband I said that anything was positive from QUix-
> vomit. He likes to say what it taught us (sales, positive
thinking
> etc ) so he doesn't feel so dumb for getting scammed since his
> parents got into it with a couple at church who were our Emeralds
and
> their kid was their Diamond. BLEEEECCHHH!
> jeebieess just thinking about it!! It just makes me ill to think
> anything good came out of that total deception we were under. And
it
> was an EXPENSIVE way to get sales techniques and be more
positive.
>
> EWWW! EWWW! EWWW! BLECH!! I have to stop thinking anything
even
> remotley nice about that, horrible, disgusting scam or I will have
to
> call in sick to work today!!!!
>
> -Jennifer
>
> --- In mlmsurvivorsclub@
> <piperwalker@
> >
> >
> > I agree with what you're saying. However, being done with MLM I
can
> look
> > back and say I did gain some good stuff from it. I did get some
> confidence.
> > It was really tough going out on "appointments" calling family
and
> friends
> > and even cold calls and trying to sell is really scarey and once
> you do
> > that, anything else seems easy. Plus some of that self help
stuff
> stays with
> > you and can actually be healthily helpful when you don't tie
every
> single
> > concept to how you can make it in "the business" but maybe just -
> how can I
> > think more positively in general?
> >
> > >From: mick wenlock <mickwenlock@
> > >Reply-To: mlmsurvivorsclub@
> > >To: mlmsurvivorsclub@
> > >Subject: Re: [MLM Survivors Club] Re: Some quotes from the Team
> > >Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 12:25:05 -0700 (PDT)
> > >
> > >This is typical of cult involvement. While in the cult one has
> access to
> > >"answers". There are always "answers" so one has a sense of
> predictability
> > >and control. Any time something goes wrong - a quick word with
> one's
> > >"mentor/guru/
> handled it and
> > >restore you, once again, to the path.
> > >
> > >It's a comfort thing.
> > >
> > >Mick
> > >
> > >CwDCramer@ wrote: A
> Question,,,,
> > >
> > > On the blogs there are plenty of folks that talk about how
all
> aspects of
> > > their life has improved because of the Team. That what they
> learned from
> > >the
> > > Team makes them better parents, spouses, friends etc.
> > >
> > > From what I've read from those that leave MLM;s is that
> relationships
> > >and
> > > financial affairs got worse during the MLM involvement.
> > >
> > > One of my acquaintances keeps saying she is so grateful for
the
> TEAM.
> > >It's
> > > been so helpful to her.ie "I had challenges with my family
but
> when I
> > >got in
> > > the car and put on a Team CD and I got sane again." A former
> friend also
> > >says
> > > that she is so much more confident in all aspects of her
life.
> > >
> > > I was never able to get through a whole CD, ............
just
> didn't
> > >like
> > > those people who were talking. So what are these people
hearing
> that they
> > >say
> > > is so helpful? And does involvement in this thing actually
> help folks,
> > > Even thought it keeps you broke?
> > >
> > > Thanks for any thoughts,
> > > Diana
> > >
> > > ************
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