Monday the 23rd is my anniversary of leaving the orange fog, and I'm
spending my 3 day weekend at the Ritz-Carlton, well it was a b-day
gift from my husband, but he doesn't even know it is the celebration
of me leaving the orange fog, it was the only avilable weekend they
had even at 2 months in advance of booking it...
And we didn't get the room from MLM, but from having a real job... ha
Allison
--- In mlmsurvivorsclub@
<no_reply@..
>
> Please know that you are making a difference. I have convinced my
> "Arbot-in-waiting" to stay out of the fog. No more Arbonne! No more
> sample kits in the bathroom! No more shiny brochures and pat
phrases!
> Thank goodness nothing was signed or purchased.
>
> Thanks to the information here, and on other web sites, there is one
> person who will not have to learn the hard way.
>
> --- In mlmsurvivorsclub@
> <allisonserna@
> >
> > I too was sucked in the the Arbonne fog as us formers call it!
> >
> > I was a consultant for over 3 years, I NEVER promoted to
anything, I
> > had a nice downline of oh 15 or so people, for being just a
> > consultant..
up,
> > not the people that they signed up etc. So "if i ever promoted" i
> > might of made more, etc. plus doing the monthly $100 active
status to
> > get a 0.23 cent paycheck... it was a real nightmare!
> >
> > but here is the jaw dropper, I spent OVER $6k over that 3 year
> > period. I went to all of the local meetings, and sometimes they
were
> > $20+ at the door to get in, I flew 1500 miles to the midwest
> > for "trainings". I went to their yearly national conferences,
twice!
> > The event is supposed to "change your business" yeah the last
one,
> > changed my business so much that I quit!
> >
> > Before I left the event in St. Louis, MO (great town!), I was
walking
> > around and reflecting on my business, life etc. and I actually
felt
> > at peace with deciding that I didn't want to do it anymore. So I
left
> > St Louis, and didn't mention a peep about the event, and got out
of
> > Arbonne alltogether. My membership didn't expire until October,
and I
> > was so over it, i didn't even have to think about should i renew
for
> > the discount...?
> >
> > Now here I am almost one year that day is coming up, and I'm
going to
> > celebrate when April 23rd comes of my freedom from it!
> >
> > Also, I had issues with Stian Moreck regarding the DSA, and about
> > getting scammed out of $300 in products, because I did those
dreaded
> > pups, (thats what they were called before they became kits) and
> > because I still live 10 mins from corporate, and I work about 3
mins
> > from corporate, more than once I had to go there in person
(kicking
> > and screaming and demanding) to have my order, because they said
it
> > was lost in the mail. I even knew (from working for the City of
> > Irvine) that they did NOT have permits to do their remodeling
work,
> > but when you went to the building and walked in you could see
they
> > were doing construction. So when I emailed VP about them doing
> > construction w/out permits, so WHY is willcall closed? I suddenly
got
> > my orders quickler... go figure? In fact it was me that denied
one of
> > their submittials for remodeling, (they had 3 phases), because
there
> > was corrections needed to be addressed on the plans (anyone in
> > construction will understand what i am saying). So when I emailed
> > Cadice and all of those who haa corporate VP's, about will call
being
> > closed, due to remodeling, I even put their plan check submittial
> > number in reference, and it was like my orders went from the
normal
> > 48 hours hold, to I was getting my orders the next day via UPS.
> >
> > Rambling, I have 3 cups of coffee in me! I could go on and on
with my
> > troubles with the company, and yet I stood up for the company for
3
> > years and would not quit the business. Even my mother and husband
> > told me to quit, and I burnt down a lot of bridges over that
company!
> >
> > if my testimony doesn't alarm you, or scare you away... LOL I
don't
> > know what would.
> >
> > I even told my "Arbot" friend when I wasn't going to continue,
their
> > response was, "oh! Don't quit before your Arbonne payday!".. and
> > after I got back, I was like shove it on the Arbonne payday, if i
> > didn't get "paid" by now, who knows if I'll ever get "paid"!
> >
> > LOL
> >
> > ALLISON SERNA
> >
> > Whoo Hoo!
> >
> > --- In mlmsurvivorsclub@
> > <jf_nelms@> wrote:
> > >
> > > What I hear is "Why can't I just start out and see
> > > > how it goes. Worst case scenario, we've spent $500 on some
great
> > > > products and I don't make any money. In fact, many people who
do
> > this
> > > > don't do it to make money, but they just love the product and
so
> > do
> > > > their friends."
> > >
> > > AH! Their key selling line! They used it on me and it worked.
And
> > its
> > > not just $500 worth of product. They will push you into buying
their
> > > "Starter Set" which is 4 very expensive kits of the anti-aging
line
> > > and by the time you've totaled your tax and shipping and "bonus
> > > products", you've spent $1200. (And to this they will say "What
> > > business can you start for $1200 and recover your investment in
a
> > few
> > > months??" which is also a lie)
> > > Then you have to count all the "business aids" they will tell
you
> > that
> > > you need. I spent several more hundred dollars on those. Then
your
> > gas
> > > driving to every relative and friends house "dropping off kits"
for
> > > people to try....all the catalogs you have to buy.....all the
trade
> > > shows you will go to.....the conference fees.....the monthly
meeting
> > > fees....the list goes on and on.
> > >
> > > If your friend will listen, you need to emphasize to them that
this
> > is
> > > much more than "just $500". As with anything in Arbonne, its
> > deception
> > > deception deception. They glaze over the truth and make it
sound so
> > > wonderful. I was told I would be RVP (the people who drive the
car
> > and
> > > make $6k a month) in 6 months. In 6 months, I could barely hold
onto
> > > my district manager status. They claim at that level that you
make
> > > $250-$300 monthly....I was barely making $75. I did everything
they
> > > told me to do, I spent hours on the phone, I spent hours
traveling
> > > trying to sell their highly overpriced products. My husband was
> > > getting frustrated b/c I was gone all the time when he was home.
> > >
> > > LIES LIES LIES...its all lies. I hope you can point them to that
> > > website I gave you and help them avoid this trap. If not, just
smile
> > > and be there to comfort them when they've figured it out the
hard
> > way.
> > >
> > > Sorry to be so wordy! You can email me personally anytime.
> > >
> > > Fredia
> > >
> > > --- In mlmsurvivorsclub@
> > > <no_reply@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thank you!
> > > >
> > > > My potential Arbot may be coming around. All of this helps.
> > > >
> > > > One key sticking point in our discussions seems to be the
> > perception
> > > > that we can just try it out a little bit, and if it doesn't
work
> > out,
> > > > then no harm done. What I hear is "Why can't I just start out
and
> > see
> > > > how it goes. Worst case scenario, we've spent $500 on some
great
> > > > products and I don't make any money. In fact, many people who
do
> > this
> > > > don't do it to make money, but they just love the product and
so
> > do
> > > > their friends."
> > > >
> > > > My hope (and prayer) is that it never comes to this, but I am
very
> > > > concerned that this Arbot-to-be will sign some kind of
contract
> > that
> > > > creates a long-term obligation or creates financial/legal
> > hassles. Any
> > > > information about this or examples would certainly help with
my
> > case.
> > > >
> > > > --- In mlmsurvivorsclub@
> > <jf_nelms@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > For really solid info regarding MLMs please check out and
have
> > your
> > > > > loved one check out this website:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.mlm-
> > > > >
> > > > > It contains a checklist of questions to ask about your MLM
and
> > also a
> > > > > quite extensive list of companies to stay away from.
Arbonne is
> > on
> > > > > the list.
> > > > > And I was also a former Arbonne consultant. Feel free to
email
> > me
> > > > > anytime with questions and I will answer as best I can. I
hope
> > you
> > > > > can steer your loved one clear of this. I lost thousands of
> > dollars.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hopefully,
> > > > > Fredia
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In mlmsurvivorsclub@
> > > > > <paine_wwweb_
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Someone I love is considering getting into
> > > > > > > Arbonne. I am skeptical. Can anyone share
> > > > > > > with me compelling, credible evidence and
> > > > > > > anecdotes to help me shed light on this MLM
> > > > > > > company?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am not interested in stories that could
> > > > > > > be about any company (shipping problems,
> > > > > > > difficulty making returns, etc.) or how
> > > > > > > MLMs change the dynamic between you and
> > > > > > > your friends.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am interested in solid evidence from
> > > > > > > reliable sources.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I doubt you'll get much more than testimonial
information.
> > We could
> > > > > > give you substantial information on the MLM industry,
even if
> > not
> > > > > > directly related to Arbonne, but you can bet that the
person
> > you are
> > > > > > trying to convince will resist any evidence that you
might
> > present.
> > > > > > The pat answer is "Our company/group is different. We
don't
> > operate
> > > > > > like that. Those critics aren't talking about OUR
company."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The only way I can think of to succeed in getting someone
out
> > of an
> > > > > > MLM is to create doubt in their minds by ASKING
QUESTIONS.
> > You
> > > > > cannot
> > > > > > tell people that they are wrong, but they can come to
that
> > > > > conclusion
> > > > > > on their own by discovering the information for
themselves.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So asking questions that begin with "I don't
understand..
> > or "Can
> > > > > > you explain..." might be the best path to take. Make
THEM do
> > the
> > > > > > research in order to answer your questions. Then if the
> > answers
> > > > > sound
> > > > > > scripted (which they probably will), you can question the
> > answers
> > > > > and
> > > > > > make them look into it even deeper.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You'll need to be on your toes, and you'll need to learn
as
> > much as
> > > > > > you can stomach. It is not easy, and I would not plan
for a
> > good
> > > > > > outcome, at least not right away.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We're here to assist with this process, so you are
entirely
> > welcome
> > > > > to
> > > > > > bring any questions you have to us. Remember, we have
> > nothing to
> > > > > gain
> > > > > > by telling you what we know. Arbonne leaders (and
leaders of
> > other
> > > > > > MLMs) hve much to gain by trying to mislead you and
discredit
> > us.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best of Luck to you.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > PW
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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