Well, at least I know not to join the MLM my cousin tried to
prospect me into (Arbonne). On the other hand, I'm not sure what
would be the best way to get her out. I think I'll try the question
approach. I'll start with something like:
"How much money are you REALLY making? Is it the same as they're
claiming?"
Or I could use another, more direct and to the point:
"Is it too late to ask for your old job back?"
--- In mlmsurvivorsclub@
<no_reply@..
>
> Please know that you are making a difference. I have convinced my
> "Arbot-in-waiting" to stay out of the fog. No more Arbonne! No more
> sample kits in the bathroom! No more shiny brochures and pat
phrases!
> Thank goodness nothing was signed or purchased.
>
> Thanks to the information here, and on other web sites, there is
one
> person who will not have to learn the hard way.
>
> --- In mlmsurvivorsclub@
> <allisonserna@
> >
> > I too was sucked in the the Arbonne fog as us formers call it!
> >
> > I was a consultant for over 3 years, I NEVER promoted to
anything, I
> > had a nice downline of oh 15 or so people, for being just a
> > consultant..
up,
> > not the people that they signed up etc. So "if i ever promoted"
i
> > might of made more, etc. plus doing the monthly $100 active
status to
> > get a 0.23 cent paycheck... it was a real nightmare!
> >
> > but here is the jaw dropper, I spent OVER $6k over that 3 year
> > period. I went to all of the local meetings, and sometimes they
were
> > $20+ at the door to get in, I flew 1500 miles to the midwest
> > for "trainings". I went to their yearly national conferences,
twice!
> > The event is supposed to "change your business" yeah the last
one,
> > changed my business so much that I quit!
> >
> > Before I left the event in St. Louis, MO (great town!), I was
walking
> > around and reflecting on my business, life etc. and I actually
felt
> > at peace with deciding that I didn't want to do it anymore. So I
left
> > St Louis, and didn't mention a peep about the event, and got out
of
> > Arbonne alltogether. My membership didn't expire until October,
and I
> > was so over it, i didn't even have to think about should i renew
for
> > the discount...?
> >
> > Now here I am almost one year that day is coming up, and I'm
going to
> > celebrate when April 23rd comes of my freedom from it!
> >
> > Also, I had issues with Stian Moreck regarding the DSA, and
about
> > getting scammed out of $300 in products, because I did those
dreaded
> > pups, (thats what they were called before they became kits) and
> > because I still live 10 mins from corporate, and I work about 3
mins
> > from corporate, more than once I had to go there in person
(kicking
> > and screaming and demanding) to have my order, because they said
it
> > was lost in the mail. I even knew (from working for the City of
> > Irvine) that they did NOT have permits to do their remodeling
work,
> > but when you went to the building and walked in you could see
they
> > were doing construction. So when I emailed VP about them doing
> > construction w/out permits, so WHY is willcall closed? I
suddenly got
> > my orders quickler... go figure? In fact it was me that denied
one of
> > their submittials for remodeling, (they had 3 phases), because
there
> > was corrections needed to be addressed on the plans (anyone in
> > construction will understand what i am saying). So when I
emailed
> > Cadice and all of those who haa corporate VP's, about will call
being
> > closed, due to remodeling, I even put their plan check
submittial
> > number in reference, and it was like my orders went from the
normal
> > 48 hours hold, to I was getting my orders the next day via UPS.
> >
> > Rambling, I have 3 cups of coffee in me! I could go on and on
with my
> > troubles with the company, and yet I stood up for the company
for 3
> > years and would not quit the business. Even my mother and
husband
> > told me to quit, and I burnt down a lot of bridges over that
company!
> >
> > if my testimony doesn't alarm you, or scare you away... LOL I
don't
> > know what would.
> >
> > I even told my "Arbot" friend when I wasn't going to continue,
their
> > response was, "oh! Don't quit before your Arbonne payday!".. and
> > after I got back, I was like shove it on the Arbonne payday, if
i
> > didn't get "paid" by now, who knows if I'll ever get "paid"!
> >
> > LOL
> >
> > ALLISON SERNA
> >
> > Whoo Hoo!
> >
> > --- In mlmsurvivorsclub@
> > <jf_nelms@> wrote:
> > >
> > > What I hear is "Why can't I just start out and see
> > > > how it goes. Worst case scenario, we've spent $500 on some
great
> > > > products and I don't make any money. In fact, many people
who do
> > this
> > > > don't do it to make money, but they just love the product
and so
> > do
> > > > their friends."
> > >
> > > AH! Their key selling line! They used it on me and it worked.
And
> > its
> > > not just $500 worth of product. They will push you into buying
their
> > > "Starter Set" which is 4 very expensive kits of the anti-aging
line
> > > and by the time you've totaled your tax and shipping and "bonus
> > > products", you've spent $1200. (And to this they will say "What
> > > business can you start for $1200 and recover your investment
in a
> > few
> > > months??" which is also a lie)
> > > Then you have to count all the "business aids" they will tell
you
> > that
> > > you need. I spent several more hundred dollars on those. Then
your
> > gas
> > > driving to every relative and friends house "dropping off
kits" for
> > > people to try....all the catalogs you have to buy.....all the
trade
> > > shows you will go to.....the conference fees.....the monthly
meeting
> > > fees....the list goes on and on.
> > >
> > > If your friend will listen, you need to emphasize to them that
this
> > is
> > > much more than "just $500". As with anything in Arbonne, its
> > deception
> > > deception deception. They glaze over the truth and make it
sound so
> > > wonderful. I was told I would be RVP (the people who drive the
car
> > and
> > > make $6k a month) in 6 months. In 6 months, I could barely
hold onto
> > > my district manager status. They claim at that level that you
make
> > > $250-$300 monthly....I was barely making $75. I did everything
they
> > > told me to do, I spent hours on the phone, I spent hours
traveling
> > > trying to sell their highly overpriced products. My husband was
> > > getting frustrated b/c I was gone all the time when he was
home.
> > >
> > > LIES LIES LIES...its all lies. I hope you can point them to
that
> > > website I gave you and help them avoid this trap. If not, just
smile
> > > and be there to comfort them when they've figured it out the
hard
> > way.
> > >
> > > Sorry to be so wordy! You can email me personally anytime.
> > >
> > > Fredia
> > >
> > > --- In mlmsurvivorsclub@
> > > <no_reply@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thank you!
> > > >
> > > > My potential Arbot may be coming around. All of this helps.
> > > >
> > > > One key sticking point in our discussions seems to be the
> > perception
> > > > that we can just try it out a little bit, and if it doesn't
work
> > out,
> > > > then no harm done. What I hear is "Why can't I just start
out and
> > see
> > > > how it goes. Worst case scenario, we've spent $500 on some
great
> > > > products and I don't make any money. In fact, many people
who do
> > this
> > > > don't do it to make money, but they just love the product
and so
> > do
> > > > their friends."
> > > >
> > > > My hope (and prayer) is that it never comes to this, but I
am very
> > > > concerned that this Arbot-to-be will sign some kind of
contract
> > that
> > > > creates a long-term obligation or creates financial/legal
> > hassles. Any
> > > > information about this or examples would certainly help with
my
> > case.
> > > >
> > > > --- In mlmsurvivorsclub@
> > <jf_nelms@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > For really solid info regarding MLMs please check out and
have
> > your
> > > > > loved one check out this website:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.mlm-
> > > > >
> > > > > It contains a checklist of questions to ask about your MLM
and
> > also a
> > > > > quite extensive list of companies to stay away from.
Arbonne is
> > on
> > > > > the list.
> > > > > And I was also a former Arbonne consultant. Feel free to
email
> > me
> > > > > anytime with questions and I will answer as best I can. I
hope
> > you
> > > > > can steer your loved one clear of this. I lost thousands
of
> > dollars.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hopefully,
> > > > > Fredia
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In mlmsurvivorsclub@
> > > > > <paine_wwweb_
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Someone I love is considering getting into
> > > > > > > Arbonne. I am skeptical. Can anyone share
> > > > > > > with me compelling, credible evidence and
> > > > > > > anecdotes to help me shed light on this MLM
> > > > > > > company?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am not interested in stories that could
> > > > > > > be about any company (shipping problems,
> > > > > > > difficulty making returns, etc.) or how
> > > > > > > MLMs change the dynamic between you and
> > > > > > > your friends.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am interested in solid evidence from
> > > > > > > reliable sources.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I doubt you'll get much more than testimonial
information.
> > We could
> > > > > > give you substantial information on the MLM industry,
even if
> > not
> > > > > > directly related to Arbonne, but you can bet that the
person
> > you are
> > > > > > trying to convince will resist any evidence that you
might
> > present.
> > > > > > The pat answer is "Our company/group is different. We
don't
> > operate
> > > > > > like that. Those critics aren't talking about OUR
company."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The only way I can think of to succeed in getting
someone out
> > of an
> > > > > > MLM is to create doubt in their minds by ASKING
QUESTIONS.
> > You
> > > > > cannot
> > > > > > tell people that they are wrong, but they can come to
that
> > > > > conclusion
> > > > > > on their own by discovering the information for
themselves.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So asking questions that begin with "I don't
understand..
> > or "Can
> > > > > > you explain..." might be the best path to take. Make
THEM do
> > the
> > > > > > research in order to answer your questions. Then if the
> > answers
> > > > > sound
> > > > > > scripted (which they probably will), you can question
the
> > answers
> > > > > and
> > > > > > make them look into it even deeper.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You'll need to be on your toes, and you'll need to learn
as
> > much as
> > > > > > you can stomach. It is not easy, and I would not plan
for a
> > good
> > > > > > outcome, at least not right away.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We're here to assist with this process, so you are
entirely
> > welcome
> > > > > to
> > > > > > bring any questions you have to us. Remember, we have
> > nothing to
> > > > > gain
> > > > > > by telling you what we know. Arbonne leaders (and
leaders of
> > other
> > > > > > MLMs) hve much to gain by trying to mislead you and
discredit
> > us.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best of Luck to you.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > PW
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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