Here's how it's started with Orrin and Chris (im not sure of the Dates)
I was cross line from orren when he started in the biz, we pretty much went Gold and Platinum at the same time, Orrin's upline line emerald is joe dipalo and his diamond is Ron hale. My Diamond at the time was Jim Pare also under Hale. After PAre went diamond he and dipalo broke away from HAle and started doing there own thing with and under Casey Combden. PAre stole the power player Idea from Combden. At a meeting we were having Pare was talking about Orrin (while he was still a Direct) and was jokeing around and called him Orville. After that Orren and Chris started to explode there business, he was using combden and pares system (supposedly) and he started breaking pins and moving up. I watched him go Diamond. After he qualified Diamond I was at Free Enterprise and listening to Orren speak and he told everyone in the audience that one of the things he did was he got hold of every Yeager , Wilson ,and Hale tape he could find and listened to them over and over again and
that was one of the things that motivated him to do the things he needed to grow. Pare and Combden were pissed because we all knew that may not have been the case.
Combden wouldn't really even speak to Orren for a while after Orren went Diamond
Margie James <margiejames@
How do you find Scott's review of Team? I've looked and can't find it...can you direct me? Thanks, Margie
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From: gruntdt12
To: mlmsurvivorsclub@
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:36 AM
Subject: [MLM Survivors Club] Re: Interesting info from TEAM manual-throw up some red flags why don't you?
Yep..... TOD, Team of Destiny, TEAM its all the same thing. The
info I found was that Orrin and Chris broke away from another group
right after Orrin went Diamond. Sometime in 99'. Its still
possible to find Scott's review of TEAM on the web. I found it and
have read the whole thing many times. The "goal" is to get to a
million people. Their numbers right now are somewhere between
100,000 and 150,000 after the other two groups merged with them.
That "OREO" is pretty funny!!! Its true though. Orrin likes to
talk about his place in Florida where he has all the TEAM leaders
come down to to spend time, mentoring and so forth. I sure know
where all of that money came from now.
I don't know anything about Casey Combden. Thats a new name for me.-
-- In mlmsurvivorsclub@
wrote:
>
> Woodward sounds alot like the leader of the Quixtar group I was
> in... and from what I read on the AmQuix web site, Casey Combden
has
> been working quite closely with the TEAM leaders, too. In fact,
my
> upline emerald even expressed plans to follow Team of Destiny's
> business model at my last Quixtar meeting (back in 2003)... which
> raised alot of red flags because I had just read Scott's
review, "Is
> Team of Destiny a Pyramid Scheme?"
>
> The page was taken down not much later, when Woodward sued him
> (which wouldn't surprise most critics). As for Casey, well, I'm
> sure Larsen will be more than happy to give you the scoop on his
> divorce and all the damage THAT did to his business... though I
have
> a feeling some of my friends saw it coming long before NBC
> Dateline. We weren't allowed to talk about it, though, because
such
> information would have been considered "negative".
>
> But here's what I was able to piece together from what my sponsors
> told me. By the end of 2003, there were already dissensions among
> our upline... at least two of whom had been attempting to resolve
a
> complaint through the corporation, who did absolutely nothing to
> help them. Their complaint, of course, was about the usual
economic
> losses that are typical in an MLM group -- or at least most of the
> groups I was in -- though at the time I was too caught up in the
> Quixtar dream to really understand what was happening.
>
> It took three years of inactivity in the business to finally open
my
> eyes. Ever so slowly, what people were saying on the Net made
sense
> to me, answering all those questions about what had been happening
> in the group that had seemed to be doing so well when I joined,
only
> to fall apart within my first year as an IBO... like most Quixtar
> failures, I thought it was my own fault, though most of the
fingers
> were being pointed at our upline gold, who was probably no more
than
> a puppet to the REAL bad guys in the Biz...
>
> After finally putting my number to rest, I was amused to read the
> latest review on Team of Destiny (now known simply as TEAM), which
> has also been nicknamed OREO -- "Orrin Rips Everybody Off!"
>
> On the other hand, it is probably not so amusing to those who've
> been caught up in it. Margie, once again, I wish you luck getting
> your friend out of OREO... I mean TEAM...
>
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