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> This will be my last post regarding the fact that I believe that
not ALL MLM's are "bad". I've sat on a few e-mails from Hal
regarding just what to say, and quite frankly, I'm as tired, trying
to get my point across as he is, trying to get HIS point across.
>
> At this point, I am going to agree to disagree.
>
> I do have a few points I would like to address, though, as my
last post regarding "pro-MLM" (as I am so referred):
>
> First, I find it grossly disturbing that I have been screwed,
myself, in MLM's, to the tune of thousands of dollars, lost
relationships, lost time, lost self-esteem (among other things) and
have stated that MANY times, yet no one has ever asked, "So what do
you think sucked about Mary Kay?" or "What did you find ridiculous
about Amway/Quixtar?
source of income?", etc. Instead, I am faced with spending my time
defending myself because I feel that there may be one or two out
there somewhere that might just actually "work" (i.e. create an
income without hurting others in the process). In other words, the
focus has been, with regard to my own experience, my thought that not
ALL MLM's are bad; it's as if my own past bad experiences with MLM's
means absolutely nothing.
>
> As my husband says about people in general: "One 'oh shit'
cancels out 500 'atta-boys'.
>
> And, yes, I do agree with the concept that "pro-MLM" talk may be
hurtful to those who are trying to kick the MLM habit. I agree
completely. I guess I just felt defensive when I was being trashed
about my own opinion and was defending myself more than I was
stressing the "bad" in MLM's. My fault. I'll accept that. I wasn't
trying to steer anyone toward MLM's; I was simply defending my own
thought that it's nearly humanly impossible to say ALL MLM's are bad
because there's no way that someone could have first-hand knowledge
about them all...new ones are popping up every day.
>
> Secondly, in the rules, there is no place that says, "No pro-
MLM'ers are allowed". It simply says that any pro-MLM'ers should
expect some backlash. And, rightfully so. And, maybe that portion of
the rules needs to be re-thought. For as much as I am hearing, "Yes,
we should have opposing viewpoints here...", I am still being shot
down with statements which basically say, "Why is she being allowed
so much voice here" and "Why aren't others shutting her up".
>
> Which tells me that this group is more about people who share a
common mistrust or hatred of MLM's, who want to tell everyone
that "All MLM's suck". In other words, it seems more a place for a
whole "misery loves company" setting, as opposed to people who are
willing to share their experiences about their past MLM experiences,
in hopes of steering would-be MLM'ers away from those MLM's that have
proven to be scams or pyramid-type structures.
>
> I thought that's what this group was about...a group of people
who could act as a sounding board for others who are thinking about
getting into an MLM; a group of people who would say, "My experience
with X company was..." in hopes of helping someone steer away from
that particular company because it proved to be less-than-honest. I
didn't expect it to be of the mind that "All MLM's are evil! Stay
away from them all! And if you believe that one might work, you're an
idiot." How different is this from cult-like MLM's who allow you to
believe only THEIR way of thinking?
>
> It's that whole, "Think like us, be like us, or be gone"
mentality.
>
> This is a forum for exchange of opinion regarding MLM's. Not a
structured, 12-step-type program. (That wasn't meant to be a
derogatory remark; just a broad...very broad... comparison through
the comment Vicki made about AA). I have not seen anything like that
with this group. There is no, "This week we will be discussing the
pitfalls of blah-blah-blah" or "This week, our focus is the X
company". All I see is people exchanging their opinions with no
recovery-type of structure, or tools by which to facilitate that
recovery. So please don't tell me that this is all that it's about.
>
> So my own expectations of this group were not what I originally
thought.
>
> I do have to say, though, that what I wonder about is this: if
someone is absolutely "anti-MLM", does that mean that they want
NOTHING to do with MLM's at all? I mean, do any of you have a
Tupperware container in your home that you got before they started
selling product in the mall? How about a Pampered Chef baking stone?
Maybe some Mary Kay lipstick? How about some kind of vitamin you got
from someone in one of those companies like Shaklee, or Herbalife (or
whoever)? How about that picture or wall sconce or candle you got at
that last home party you attended? Did you check out the latest Avon
catalog that was circulating around your office? Or maybe you have
one of those "adult toys" in your dresser from that fun party you
went to at your girlfriend's house?
>
> MLM's have been a part of our lives for many, many years, and
sorry to say this, but they're not going anywhere anytime soon. Sure,
the scams and pyramid-type structured companies will be taken to
court, or shut down, but they won't disappear completely.
>
> Because of this, I think it's VERY important that we continue to
educate people on the pitfalls of MLM's and all the scams and pyramid
schemes out there that are posing as "businesses"
lost a great deal, not only monetarily, but with respect to trust in
ourselves and others, relationships, and a myriad of other things.
But, let's try to be open minded enough to not drive people away just
because they think slightly differently on the subject, and not
completely back someone into a corner so they feel they need to
defend everything about themselves. That person just might have
something profound to say that will impact ONE person's life.
>
> Experiences will always vary from one person to another, as will
opinions, which it appears is what this forum is about. But, having a
different opinion doesn't make someone "wrong". It just makes them
different. And for that, we should all be respected.
>
> Terra
hi dawn, i hear you, and i was wondering the same..for us who
havent got a bad MlM habit, just interested in learning so we KNOW
what the traps, cons, etc are and don,t fall for them ourselves, that
is i think, what i and a lot of others?? expected to find, advice as
to what? is wrong, with what..company product and why! they fell for
it. what Hook did they use, why did it seem plausible,..
now i could be wrong, :-) but i am also guessing that not all of us
want a fast buck, or mega bucks, just a small income increase even?
so we look for what seems an ethical sound and viable business.
i personally cannot find mainstream employment due to disability,
others have kids , or other issues that don,t make us prime job
market fodder. yet we have to live.
maybe i am "saved" by my low income..i have nothing i can loose, i
have no means to aquire debt on "on-selling anything"
i went looking on www.mlmsurvivor.
i was amazed at the volume of bad feedback, and lawsuits etc and how
the shonkies still survive.
i have to admit any offering me a meeting with rally hoo hah and
group activities has me running soooo fast! and why, mlm?? no i used
to teach at a dance studio, that had "sales encouragement"
and cold calling in desperate job times..
and this is why i joined, to see if there was open honest sharing of
bad products, sales methods etc. and the all mlms are bad attitude
also disturbs me, your' e not alone ! but i continue to read and
rarely contribute, though i have this last week.
cos you know, someone- somewhere- is doing ok..from every item we
purchase. mlm or elsewhere. inc the multiple government taxes.
is door to door better...does anyone here, hate the electrolux man??
the travelling sellers are the original storekeepers.
selling snake oil. some weren't.
from them, came the company founders, now metamorphosed into the
multi nats, that now rip us off almost always.
maybe the mlm thing is a wish for a( -ok- ok -dont all yell at
once!!) more personal interaction. i am thinking farmers market type
exchanges and how they are booming too.
if a product ruined a friendship..
friend..or a judge?
do you have hissy fits if your mate uses surf and you reckon its cr*p
in a box..
a friend picks up the pieces and is there when ever needed. always.
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