On Thursday 24 May 2007, Dawn _ wrote:
> Lori,
>
> I have to tell you that I am sorry, first off, that your
> relationship with your grandmother isn't a good one. But, please
> understand that it may have absolutely NOTHING to do with her being
> part of an MLM. My own mother sounds a LOT like your
> grandmother.
> is what she says); she only wants positive things in her life; she's
> very controlling, even now, and I'm almost 40. She is still very
> negative about my life, the way I parent, my religious beliefs, etc.
I've waited to respond on this because I did not want people thinking I
was a bulldog with a vendetta, but there is a point to consider here.
Lori describes many of the problems in her grandmother'
doesn't take a scholar making a careful perusal of that list to see
that the traits she talks about are all associated with MLMs. I won't
go into listing them (but I can if I need to support what I say for
anyone who can't re-read her original e-mail), but pretty much all of
her issues with her grandmother are the same as any of us close to MLM
members have had: they won't listen to logic, they refuse to hear
anything contrary to what they've been taught, and large parts of their
conversation consist of canned statements and replies taught to them by
their MLM.
Many cult experts recognize many MLMs as cults. I found this site after
finding a lot of sites like Rick Ross' cult site and was surprised to
learn this is true, but many MLMs show the same characteristics as
cults and, in Lori's case, what she describes are symptoms of cultish
MLMs.
True, all those issues could have come from other sources, but at that
point, to say the issues do not come from MLMs is basically saying that
she's in MLMs, shows all the negative behaviors of MLMs, but that those
traits don't come from MLMs. It's like seeing someone walk out of a
working gold mine with sacks of ore and saying, "They probably didn't
get that gold from the mine."
We have had people come here as pro MLM and stay to watch, then change
their minds and help others and we know there are MLM people lurking
that may learn from us or find ways to change the system they are in to
avoid the problems we've found, so I think there are benefits to allow
MLM people on this list.
Terra, when you started posting here, you had a few good points and I
felt it was a good thing to see someone with a different point of view,
but, and this came up in a previous exchange, it seems that a lot of
your reasoning that is showing now is very much like that of MLMs.
Have you considered taking a step back and seeing if your MLM is as you
describe and making sure that you are not making money at the expense
of those in your downline as they go into debt trying to get ahead?
I'm asking this not to attack, but because you are showing a tendency
to not look facts in the face and accept their meaning. Is it possible
you are avoiding truths about your group that you do not want to face?
Hal
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