Krissy wrote:
> P.S. -- Has anyone heard of LTD before? The whole name seems too happy
> and shiny for my taste.
Isn't that the new name for the AMO whose leaders
resigned/fired/
xan
jonathon
I totally sympathize with you in your predicament. But to be blunt
with you.. Its not just your friend that is going to have to choose.
If past patterns are anything to go by, your friend is going to
chooose the MLM - You are going to have to choose to "comply" (be
"supportive" in MLM jargon), or you will be treated as someone that is
trying to stop them from being millionaires.
you is to perhaps "go to a meeting" - you think it will stop there
but it won't). At the very least, you will find yourself buying
expensive products to keep a relationship alive. That itself is
abhorrent in my opinion. So the ultimatum that you want to give her is
really yours - Are you willing to let go or at least step back and
consider life after your friend ? I don't want to be flippant about
it, but it IS that serious.
Good luck.
--- In mlmsurvivorsclub@
>
> --- In mlmsurvivorsclub@
> <mickwenlock@
>
> >>>krissy,
>
> Gawd what a truly awful experience.
>
> Why did you not say what the MLM is? In one way of course, it does not
> matter because they are almost all very similar in the application of
> cultic techniques, on the other hand there is no need to hide who they
> are.
>
> Unfortunately this is not something that is going to be easy or
> pleasant. Your friends' reaction to your rejection of the
> "opportunity" is a carefully laid in, programmed response. I am sure
> that you have not experienced any sort of spiteful behavior like this
> in the 11 years of your friendship - right? So it is something they
> have just recently learned.
>
> The way it is taught and programmmed in is as follows:
>
> 1) Their upline or sponsor or whatever has sold THEM on the
> opportunity and has gotten them all fired up about it.
>
> 2) then it is explained that "not everyone is like YOU (your friends)"
>
> 3) "A lot of people just cannot see, that's why they sit in dead end
jobs"
>
> 4) "Don't be surprised if people you thought you knew will not see it"
>
> 5) "only an idiot would turn it down"
>
> 6) "Good people support their friends"
>
> 7) "only a bad person would not support you in doing something that is
> such a great opportunity"
>
> Your friends have bought into the mindset hook, line and sinker. Your
> turning it down was a real shock for them. It is also a dose of
> reality that they do not wish to face - if the warmest of their "warm"
> market is not interested it does not bode well for their future -
> which is scary.
>
> You did the right thing - exactly the right thing. Your friendship has
> been torpedoed by this MLM and it is not your fault.
>
> Mick
>
> <<<<<<
>
> I'm glad for the warm response. :-) I'm sure you can imagine how
> earth-shattering this whole thing has been for me.
>
> I was hesitant to name the scam because I wasn't entirely sure it was
> allowed, but here it goes: It's Amway/Quixtar/
> which is short for "Leadership Team Development"
>
> My friend keeps trying to convince me that LTD is not just a part of
> Quixtar, but so far I haven't found it to be involved with anything
> other than it.
>
> I did force a conversation with her last night. It went rather like an
> intervention. She still doesn't believe me, but I managed to plan
> doubts in her mind about the whole thing.
>
> She started to tell me that I couldn't possibly understand, and I
> said, "Why, because I'm not in the Business? Did you get upline
> counseled to say that to me, or did your mentor tell you to say it?"
>
> Well, that sure gave her pause. How did I know about that? I told her
> that I can do the whole lingo thing, I know what it is, and I
> explained in further detail what will be expected of her, and that as
> far as I could see, this "LTD" thing is NOT a member of the BBB as
> they claim. Or maybe it's Quixtar claiming it; I don't know, I haven't
> been to a meeting, nor will I go to one.
>
> She told me that she didn't want to hear my negativity. Isn't that
> another catch-phrase of these groups? Anyone who doesn't support them
> is negative? She said those were her own words, but it sure sounded
> like a scripted response.
>
> Anyway, she says she hasn't paid anything into this so far, but she's
> already been taught to redefine (I think that was the word) her
> shopping habits by shopping for things on Quixtar instead of in shops.
>
> She was even trying to get me to buy things; she was telling me about
> how great the detergent is and how all her things look new. I was
> like, "Dude you are a walking commercial." I finally appeased her by
> saying I would consider going to a meeting with her, and that I'd be
> her customer, but I steered the conversation away into more pleasant
> things. She kept trying to bring up "the Business", but I always shot
> back with some of my knowledge from the Net and she'd get really quiet.
>
> I know it seems mean, but I can't help myself. I won't let our
> friendship go so easily, and she's not going to get me to roll over
> and be quiet on this issue. She'll eventually have to choose, I'm
> afraid -- and I'm not sure, based on what I've seen so far, if she'll
> have the ability to break free on her own, or until she can't make any
> money.
>
> Thanks to everyone for reading my rants. It's been a tough few weeks
> for me, and I get the impression that things will probably only get
> worse from now on.
>
> ~Krissy
>
>
> P.S. -- Has anyone heard of LTD before? The whole name seems too happy
> and shiny for my taste.
>
--- In mlmsurvivorsclub@
<mickwenlock@
>>>krissy,
Gawd what a truly awful experience.
Why did you not say what the MLM is? In one way of course, it does not
matter because they are almost all very similar in the application of
cultic techniques, on the other hand there is no need to hide who they
are.
Unfortunately this is not something that is going to be easy or
pleasant. Your friends' reaction to your rejection of the
"opportunity" is a carefully laid in, programmed response. I am sure
that you have not experienced any sort of spiteful behavior like this
in the 11 years of your friendship - right? So it is something they
have just recently learned.
The way it is taught and programmmed in is as follows:
1) Their upline or sponsor or whatever has sold THEM on the
opportunity and has gotten them all fired up about it.
2) then it is explained that "not everyone is like YOU (your friends)"
3) "A lot of people just cannot see, that's why they sit in dead end jobs"
4) "Don't be surprised if people you thought you knew will not see it"
5) "only an idiot would turn it down"
6) "Good people support their friends"
7) "only a bad person would not support you in doing something that is
such a great opportunity"
Your friends have bought into the mindset hook, line and sinker. Your
turning it down was a real shock for them. It is also a dose of
reality that they do not wish to face - if the warmest of their "warm"
market is not interested it does not bode well for their future -
which is scary.
You did the right thing - exactly the right thing. Your friendship has
been torpedoed by this MLM and it is not your fault.
Mick
<<<<<<
I'm glad for the warm response. :-) I'm sure you can imagine how
earth-shattering this whole thing has been for me.
I was hesitant to name the scam because I wasn't entirely sure it was
allowed, but here it goes: It's Amway/Quixtar/
which is short for "Leadership Team Development"
My friend keeps trying to convince me that LTD is not just a part of
Quixtar, but so far I haven't found it to be involved with anything
other than it.
I did force a conversation with her last night. It went rather like an
intervention. She still doesn't believe me, but I managed to plan
doubts in her mind about the whole thing.
She started to tell me that I couldn't possibly understand, and I
said, "Why, because I'm not in the Business? Did you get upline
counseled to say that to me, or did your mentor tell you to say it?"
Well, that sure gave her pause. How did I know about that? I told her
that I can do the whole lingo thing, I know what it is, and I
explained in further detail what will be expected of her, and that as
far as I could see, this "LTD" thing is NOT a member of the BBB as
they claim. Or maybe it's Quixtar claiming it; I don't know, I haven't
been to a meeting, nor will I go to one.
She told me that she didn't want to hear my negativity. Isn't that
another catch-phrase of these groups? Anyone who doesn't support them
is negative? She said those were her own words, but it sure sounded
like a scripted response.
Anyway, she says she hasn't paid anything into this so far, but she's
already been taught to redefine (I think that was the word) her
shopping habits by shopping for things on Quixtar instead of in shops.
She was even trying to get me to buy things; she was telling me about
how great the detergent is and how all her things look new. I was
like, "Dude you are a walking commercial." I finally appeased her by
saying I would consider going to a meeting with her, and that I'd be
her customer, but I steered the conversation away into more pleasant
things. She kept trying to bring up "the Business", but I always shot
back with some of my knowledge from the Net and she'd get really quiet.
I know it seems mean, but I can't help myself. I won't let our
friendship go so easily, and she's not going to get me to roll over
and be quiet on this issue. She'll eventually have to choose, I'm
afraid -- and I'm not sure, based on what I've seen so far, if she'll
have the ability to break free on her own, or until she can't make any
money.
Thanks to everyone for reading my rants. It's been a tough few weeks
for me, and I get the impression that things will probably only get
worse from now on.
~Krissy
P.S. -- Has anyone heard of LTD before? The whole name seems too happy
and shiny for my taste.
krissy,
Gawd what a truly awful experience.
Why did you not say what the MLM is? In one way of course, it does not matter because they are almost all very similar in the application of cultic techniques, on the other hand there is no need to hide who they are.
Unfortunately this is not something that is going to be easy or pleasant. Your friends' reaction to your rejection of the "opportunity" is a carefully laid in, programmed response. I am sure that you have not experienced any sort of spiteful behavior like this in the 11 years of your friendship - right? So it is something they have just recently learned.
The way it is taught and programmmed in is as follows:
1) Their upline or sponsor or whatever has sold THEM on the opportunity and has gotten them all fired up about it.
2) then it is explained that "not everyone is like YOU (your friends)"
3) "A lot of people just cannot see, that's why they sit in dead end jobs"
4) "Don't be surprised if people you thought you knew will not see it"
5) "only an idiot would turn it down"
6) "Good people support their friends"
7) "only a bad person would not support you in doing something that is such a great opportunity"
Your friends have bought into the mindset hook, line and sinker. Your turning it down was a real shock for them. It is also a dose of reality that they do not wish to face - if the warmest of their "warm" market is not interested it does not bode well for their future - which is scary.
You did the right thing - exactly the right thing. Your friendship has been torpedoed by this MLM and it is not your fault.
Mick
Krissy <surreal_44@yahoo.
my best friend's brother joined a new er...'team'. I asked him what he
was up to, but he was really evasive with his answers. He was even
leaving his wife, who had just given birth, to go on weekends. Since
the baby was born I think he's spent about three weekends home.
I was vaguely suspicious but I figured he was just excited about it.
My best friend wasn't sure what he was up to either, and we both
giggled over how much time he was investing in it. Two weeks ago her
brother managed to manipulate her into going to a meeting. The very
next day, she was trying to wheedle me into going.
She said the meeting was boring but the guys there were hot. Wouldn't
I like to come?
I of course, said "No". I didn't know what it was about and since she
said it was boring, I didn't want to go on a three hour trip to
someplace and sit through another meeting. Besides, to me it was odd
that she 'needed' to go to another meeting so soon, and that she'd
invite me to go. Wouldn't we be on totally different schedules?
Well, finally her brother asked me to go to a business dinner the
night before the next meeting. I reluctantly agreed. I've been friends
with them for eleven years, so I figured there would be no harm in
listening to what they had to say.
Dinner was fine and fun. He paid, and we finally got down to
'business'. He showed me his business card, which had no info on the
company, just a logo and name and how to reach HIM...not the company,
except for his own personal website, which he told me not to explore
until I go to the meeting.
That made me wary. He explained about what his company does, and what
this particular MLM did, how it worked, and how in just three to five
months, I could be earning thousands of dollars, and in three to five
years I could have some sort of residual income.
I knew right then that it was a scam. Or it feels like one, at least.
I agree to go to the meeting, but I tell him I want to research it.
Quick as you could say the company's name he had scooped up his
materials and put them away, stating that he researched it too and
thought it was all right.
I was told I would get all the information I needed at the meeeting,
that he understood how I felt -- he'd been skeptical too, until he
heard someone tell him.
Now I was annoyed and a bit worried. Both my best friend and her
brother seemed to totally be into something that neither of them could
-- or would -- explain to me. It was disconcerting and frankly,
frightening.
So the meeting ended, I went home and did my own research anyway. What
I found concerned me even more. In fact, it was rather alarming.
Neither of them would answer my calls that night, so I had to leave a
message that I was sorry, but I didn't want to attend their meeting
after all.
The next day I still hadn't heard from them, and I finally called. My
best friend of eleven years called me a horrendous name and demanded
to know why I didn't want to attend their meeting. I tried to be
polite by telling her I couldn't afford it, but apparently it's only
$25 bucks to join or some non-sense. She kept pressing me for an
answer, so finally I responded honestly; it was a scam, a pyramid, and
I wanted no part of this particular company.
That made her angry, she accused me of lying. She told me I had no
desire to improve my life, that I had no chance of being successful,
and she claimed I had insulted her family because they had researched.
Then she asked if I was really saying no, and I said, "That's right,
I'm not going."
Her brother calls me ten minutes later and said he didn't think I had
the ability or desire to do this anyway, but he and his sister had
wanted to provide me with a chance to be successful.
They haven't spoken to me since. I'm frustrated, angry, and terrified
for them. I also feel like my heart's been broken, since I've known
them for so long. They acted like I was dirt, like I was nothing --
and now they are pretending I don't exist.
So that's my story. Any help or suggestions on how to deal with this?
"Yo, Brutus, you just glad to see me or is that a knife under your cloak?"Julius Caesar
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Hi all,
Just a note, we had our local Riverfest small town fair this past
weekend. Typically, since I have moved here, we would see at least 4-5
booths of mlm companies ranging from the usual to the newest one. This
year there where only 2! Pampered Chef and Tastefully Simple. The
pampered chef girl actually paid to help sponsor the event and her
sales where the worst. She only sold 1 tote full out of all of her
stuff and the tastefully simple girl only sold half her stuff! I had to
hold back my smile so not to ad insult to injury, but I was jumping up
and down for joy when I came home! Looks like people in my town are
more informed than I thought about mlm's and less people are selling
that stuff here even at the church fairs. Yippie!
Just thought I'd share the good news with you all! Thanks for your info
to. I've used everything I've learned in this group for MlM awareness.
People are openings their eyes up on this stuff in Ct. Oh and by the
way, I did hear a law suit being issued agaist Arbonne in CT. Waiting
to hear the results on that one!
Enjoy,
Janine
On Saturday 29 September 2007, Krissy wrote:
...
> The next day I still hadn't heard from them, and I finally called. My
> best friend of eleven years called me a horrendous name and demanded
> to know why I didn't want to attend their meeting. I tried to be
> polite by telling her I couldn't afford it, but apparently it's only
> $25 bucks to join or some non-sense. She kept pressing me for an
> answer, so finally I responded honestly; it was a scam, a pyramid,
> and I wanted no part of this particular company.
>
> That made her angry, she accused me of lying. She told me I had no
> desire to improve my life, that I had no chance of being successful,
> and she claimed I had insulted her family because they had
> researched. Then she asked if I was really saying no, and I said,
> "That's right, I'm not going."
>
> Her brother calls me ten minutes later and said he didn't think I had
> the ability or desire to do this anyway, but he and his sister had
> wanted to provide me with a chance to be successful.
>
> They haven't spoken to me since. I'm frustrated, angry, and terrified
> for them. I also feel like my heart's been broken, since I've known
> them for so long. They acted like I was dirt, like I was nothing --
> and now they are pretending I don't exist.
>
> So that's my story. Any help or suggestions on how to deal with this?
It would help to know just what MLM you're dealing with, but otherwise,
it seems clear they've been brainwashed 100% on this one.
If it's Quackstar/Scamway, then one thing they were told in their first
meeting was something like, "When you leave here, you're going to want
to tell all your friends about this, but you can't and, you know why?
Because they're going to want to steal your success. They're going to
be jealous of your success and they're going to want to steal it from
you."
It seems your friends have heard something like that from the start and
have been convinced.
Unfortunately, at this point, they will not listen to reason or logic.
All they care about is their dreams. These things are about dreams and
promises and hope, not about truth and reason. They have been sold on
an emotional level and promised they can have everything they ever
want, so anything anyone says to disagree with that sounds like they're
trying to steal their dreams instead of them pointing out the truth.
The bad news is these groups have destroyed friendships, ruined
families, and wiped out people's credit and driven them into high debt.
I'd love to give you hope about this, but at this point, we still don't
know how much about how to "beat" a cult like this -- and yes, these
things are considered cults by the experts.
On the other hand, we're here to remind you that you're sane and to
listen to you when you want to vent.
Hal
Krissy-
I am so sorry this is happening to your friends! You are the smart
one. You're just gonna have to ride out their wave of insanity (it
will end) & wait for them to come crawling back to you, begging for
forgiveness(
do or say to get them to understand where you are coming from, &
there isn't anything you can do or say to get them out of it. I
would recommend you check out www.pinktruth.
lots of stories on there that sound just like yours. Thst site has
helped me to detox from my brainwashing experience.
keelyandsheamama
--- In mlmsurvivorsclub@
wrote:
>
> I'm so thrilled to have found this place. Back in June of this year,
> my best friend's brother joined a new er...'team'. I asked him what
he
> was up to, but he was really evasive with his answers. He was even
> leaving his wife, who had just given birth, to go on weekends. Since
> the baby was born I think he's spent about three weekends home.
>
> I was vaguely suspicious but I figured he was just excited about it.
> My best friend wasn't sure what he was up to either, and we both
> giggled over how much time he was investing in it. Two weeks ago her
> brother managed to manipulate her into going to a meeting. The very
> next day, she was trying to wheedle me into going.
>
> She said the meeting was boring but the guys there were hot.
Wouldn't
> I like to come?
>
> I of course, said "No". I didn't know what it was about and since
she
> said it was boring, I didn't want to go on a three hour trip to
> someplace and sit through another meeting. Besides, to me it was odd
> that she 'needed' to go to another meeting so soon, and that she'd
> invite me to go. Wouldn't we be on totally different schedules?
>
> Well, finally her brother asked me to go to a business dinner the
> night before the next meeting. I reluctantly agreed. I've been
friends
> with them for eleven years, so I figured there would be no harm in
> listening to what they had to say.
>
> Dinner was fine and fun. He paid, and we finally got down to
> 'business'. He showed me his business card, which had no info on the
> company, just a logo and name and how to reach HIM...not the
company,
> except for his own personal website, which he told me not to explore
> until I go to the meeting.
>
> That made me wary. He explained about what his company does, and
what
> this particular MLM did, how it worked, and how in just three to
five
> months, I could be earning thousands of dollars, and in three to
five
> years I could have some sort of residual income.
>
> I knew right then that it was a scam. Or it feels like one, at
least.
> I agree to go to the meeting, but I tell him I want to research it.
> Quick as you could say the company's name he had scooped up his
> materials and put them away, stating that he researched it too and
> thought it was all right.
>
> I was told I would get all the information I needed at the meeeting,
> that he understood how I felt -- he'd been skeptical too, until he
> heard someone tell him.
>
> Now I was annoyed and a bit worried. Both my best friend and her
> brother seemed to totally be into something that neither of them
could
> -- or would -- explain to me. It was disconcerting and frankly,
> frightening.
>
> So the meeting ended, I went home and did my own research anyway.
What
> I found concerned me even more. In fact, it was rather alarming.
> Neither of them would answer my calls that night, so I had to leave
a
> message that I was sorry, but I didn't want to attend their meeting
> after all.
>
> The next day I still hadn't heard from them, and I finally called.
My
> best friend of eleven years called me a horrendous name and demanded
> to know why I didn't want to attend their meeting. I tried to be
> polite by telling her I couldn't afford it, but apparently it's only
> $25 bucks to join or some non-sense. She kept pressing me for an
> answer, so finally I responded honestly; it was a scam, a pyramid,
and
> I wanted no part of this particular company.
>
> That made her angry, she accused me of lying. She told me I had no
> desire to improve my life, that I had no chance of being successful,
> and she claimed I had insulted her family because they had
researched.
> Then she asked if I was really saying no, and I said, "That's right,
> I'm not going."
>
> Her brother calls me ten minutes later and said he didn't think I
had
> the ability or desire to do this anyway, but he and his sister had
> wanted to provide me with a chance to be successful.
>
> They haven't spoken to me since. I'm frustrated, angry, and
terrified
> for them. I also feel like my heart's been broken, since I've known
> them for so long. They acted like I was dirt, like I was nothing --
> and now they are pretending I don't exist.
>
> So that's my story. Any help or suggestions on how to deal with
this?
>
I'm so thrilled to have found this place. Back in June of this year,
my best friend's brother joined a new er...'team'. I asked him what he
was up to, but he was really evasive with his answers. He was even
leaving his wife, who had just given birth, to go on weekends. Since
the baby was born I think he's spent about three weekends home.
I was vaguely suspicious but I figured he was just excited about it.
My best friend wasn't sure what he was up to either, and we both
giggled over how much time he was investing in it. Two weeks ago her
brother managed to manipulate her into going to a meeting. The very
next day, she was trying to wheedle me into going.
She said the meeting was boring but the guys there were hot. Wouldn't
I like to come?
I of course, said "No". I didn't know what it was about and since she
said it was boring, I didn't want to go on a three hour trip to
someplace and sit through another meeting. Besides, to me it was odd
that she 'needed' to go to another meeting so soon, and that she'd
invite me to go. Wouldn't we be on totally different schedules?
Well, finally her brother asked me to go to a business dinner the
night before the next meeting. I reluctantly agreed. I've been friends
with them for eleven years, so I figured there would be no harm in
listening to what they had to say.
Dinner was fine and fun. He paid, and we finally got down to
'business'. He showed me his business card, which had no info on the
company, just a logo and name and how to reach HIM...not the company,
except for his own personal website, which he told me not to explore
until I go to the meeting.
That made me wary. He explained about what his company does, and what
this particular MLM did, how it worked, and how in just three to five
months, I could be earning thousands of dollars, and in three to five
years I could have some sort of residual income.
I knew right then that it was a scam. Or it feels like one, at least.
I agree to go to the meeting, but I tell him I want to research it.
Quick as you could say the company's name he had scooped up his
materials and put them away, stating that he researched it too and
thought it was all right.
I was told I would get all the information I needed at the meeeting,
that he understood how I felt -- he'd been skeptical too, until he
heard someone tell him.
Now I was annoyed and a bit worried. Both my best friend and her
brother seemed to totally be into something that neither of them could
-- or would -- explain to me. It was disconcerting and frankly,
frightening.
So the meeting ended, I went home and did my own research anyway. What
I found concerned me even more. In fact, it was rather alarming.
Neither of them would answer my calls that night, so I had to leave a
message that I was sorry, but I didn't want to attend their meeting
after all.
The next day I still hadn't heard from them, and I finally called. My
best friend of eleven years called me a horrendous name and demanded
to know why I didn't want to attend their meeting. I tried to be
polite by telling her I couldn't afford it, but apparently it's only
$25 bucks to join or some non-sense. She kept pressing me for an
answer, so finally I responded honestly; it was a scam, a pyramid, and
I wanted no part of this particular company.
That made her angry, she accused me of lying. She told me I had no
desire to improve my life, that I had no chance of being successful,
and she claimed I had insulted her family because they had researched.
Then she asked if I was really saying no, and I said, "That's right,
I'm not going."
Her brother calls me ten minutes later and said he didn't think I had
the ability or desire to do this anyway, but he and his sister had
wanted to provide me with a chance to be successful.
They haven't spoken to me since. I'm frustrated, angry, and terrified
for them. I also feel like my heart's been broken, since I've known
them for so long. They acted like I was dirt, like I was nothing --
and now they are pretending I don't exist.
So that's my story. Any help or suggestions on how to deal with this?
It's quite amazing really that I have NEVER been prospected again
since I got into Amway/Quaxtar in 1988. I know one should never say
never but, I am very thankful no one has ever asked me again. If I
ever do get prospected again, I intend on giving them an earful!!!
Jim Koury, Oneonta, NY
--- In mlmsurvivorsclub@
wrote:
>
> Again, I am so glad I know about MLM. The other day my mom, baby,
> and I were in line at a fast food Filipino restaurant. Behind us
> was a group with one guy and two girls. The guy struck up a
> conversation with me by saying nice things about my baby. The
other
> woman then asked if I was related to so and so blah blah blah.
They
> then asked me what I did for a living. I told them I was a
personal
> trainer. They then said that they were interested in personal
> training and that they really needed it and asked me for my
number.
> I then happened to look closer at what they were wearing and I saw
> PrimeAmerica on their shirt sleeve. I gave the guy my number
> thinking that they may be potential clients since they asked me for
> my number. The guy called me the next day and left a message. He
> says "Hi Charlene I met you yesterday I want to talk to you about
> something." I laughed! I knew it. If he was interested in
> personal training he would have said, hi Charlene it's that guy
from
> the restaurant, I was interested in personal training. I didn't
> call him back. He called me again the next day and he says on my
> voicemail, "Hi Charlene this is (name) from PrimeAmerica, I was
> wondering if you can give me a call, I would like to tell you about
> something. I am not calling him back, hope he doesnt call me again
> either.
>
Hi Vick,
My husband is a computer programmer who programs the soft ware for reverse vending machines. We had to move to CT recently because of his job. It did not make any sense to me why they had a shop in N. VA, except for the fact that is high tech world, but VA has no deposit law. Hubby's machines are seen at grocery stores with the states that have deposit laws. Talk about competition. So they go global.
The reverse vending machine is one you put your to be recycled cans, bottles, ect in that you see at the grocery stores and you get a coupon back. Something to consider, these machines take maintenance. Hubby has to travel all over the world to make sure they are in running order and find out where the machines are being placed. He goes to Japan sometimes a couple times a year. Even tho they can communicate with the machines long distance, sometimes you still have to check them in person. The more high tech these machines get, the more things can and do go wrong. Just the nature of the biz.
Btw, a funny but sad story, a grocery store customer tried to stick his hand in there to get his cans back out for duplication to get more coupons and he got his arm stuck in the machine. They had the fire department help him and a machine tech help him get out. The man actually tried to sue my hubby's company for it after his company saved his arm, the nerve of some people. Also, People from New Jersey skip over to New York and use their machines to. That secret is out, hubby knows so program changes happen all the time and are always updated. It's amazing how people think they can try and cheat the software and what they do to the machines.
Just some small details and I've only just begun.
Janine
Janine C. Dellinger
Spa Owner/Director
Skin Care Specialist
Cell: 203-577-9574
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