On Friday 14 September 2007, chip_embere wrote:
> I have, in fact, tried this question on my girlfriend( who is
> thankfully a little less into Nikken now - but her family is neck
> deep). The counters run roughly along the following lines:
Good. Responses help frame the question and help us know what to
counter.
> 1. Since the products sell themselves - if you fail - you have only
> yourselves to blame - you haven't effectively "educated" your
> downlines or prospects. And of course, the inevitable "90 % of all
> businesses fail" line.
At this point a good question might be, "Do you believe that over 90% of
people that are in your MLM don't try and don't know what they're
doing?" This is loaded and, if you ask it right, they'll have to
answer yes. Then ask, "Then why, if the products sell themselves, do
over 90% of the people in your company never make it?"
I think that will bring up a "logical contradiction.
reminds me of how Captain Kirk would argue computers into a corner and
they'd explode. I'm not saying to argue, but I'm trying to find a way
to phrase some of these questions so they can't find easy answers. Of
course, if the questions become wide spread, then they'll have pat
answers to them as they do to others.
> 2. Even if people below you fail financially, you are still "helping"
> them because the products are so good for their health. If you
> haven't passed out by now you get a treatise on wellness and are
> referred to some book about how the next trillion will be made on
> "wellness". (And then there are the inevitable testimonials)
That works for the health MLMs and I haven't dealt with one, so I don't
have an idea, but it can be countered for some like Quackstar. Anyone
know of a counter question for the "health" MLMs?
Hal
> --- In mlmsurvivorsclub@
> > I forgot just what post I wrote this in, but I remember recently I
> > was responding to someone (probably that jerk from Team 21 or
> > whatever he called himself) and one point I made was that over
> > 99.9% of the people that go into an MLM don't make much money or
> > lose it.
> >
> > First, I've forgotten the figures, so if someone can refresh my
> > memory, if I remember, I think it's that 95% of people lose money
> > and less than .001% make enough to make a living at it or to be
> > "wealthy." Is that right, or do I misremember? And does anyone
> > know what percentage of people in an MLM (or any particular MLMs)
> > go into significant debt (you can define significant in some other
> > way, but we'll go with debt over $1,000)?
> >
> > Second, and this is my thought for a question or objection:
> >
> > If 95% of all the people who go into an MLM lose money, then if
> > you're trying to help someone, doesn't that mean that 19 out of 20
> > people that you help to join the company will lose money and be
> > hurt by your MLM?
> >
> >
> > I like to phrase questions so there is a direct contrast in them
> > that can "slap" a person in the face with the comparison and leave
> > them trying to figure out the obvious difference between what they
> > say and what I'm stating as a fact. For example, Quackstar admits
> > that less than .1% of their IBDrones "make it." That gives one a
> > chance to use that figure against them and point out that if
> > they're trying to help someone, if only .1% of the IBDrones make
> > it, that means if they help one person, they've done it by hurting
> > 999 others financially.
> >
> > I haven't seen this used as a good question yet in dealing with
> > MLMers, but it seems to be a strong point that I haven't yet heard
> > countered.
> >
> > Any suggestions on how to use this and good ways to phrase it?
> > Does it bring up any other good probing questions?
> >
> > Hal
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