No, I am not confusing free speech with good communication. This is a list with some moderation, free speech is not part of that equation and that is fine with me.
I moderate a list which is far more active than this one. If someone writes a post I do not understand I do not let it through, I write back to the person who wrote it explaining the problem. I don't post a "lesson" to the whole list.
If someone posts something on this list that I have difficulty following - and there are several such posters - I hit my trusty "delete" key and don't bother with them.
You said
"While no one expects everyone to write like
English majors the least we can all do is try to follow SOME of the
written language rules.."
OK - which rules? If someone does not adhere to those rules should they be warned publicly to shape up? Who decides which rules are to be followed and how? Can we ban the use of American spelling and return to real English? (LOL
Mick
xxfarmhandxx <xxfarmhandxx@
communication. The whole point of this discussion group is to
communicate our thoughts, ideas, and experiences with one another. If
you were having a conversation with someone who was mumbling
incoherently would you ever ask them to speak up or repeat anything
so that you could understand what they were trying to convey or would
you just applaud their free choice of communication style and strain
and struggle to understand them?
I live in Ontario Canada fairly close to the Quebec border. Quebec
has struggled hard to keep French pure. Why? When I was young the two
languages (French & English) were in some areas becoming very mixed
and full of local slang. While this was fine in those areas where
most of the population was bilingual and everyone understood the
local slang most of the rest of Canadians or anyone else would be
hard pressed to understand much of it.
Personally, I don't bother to read bitch_n_pack'
that if the said poster will not bother to even try to communicate
clearly I won't bother to try to decipher them. For me that's fine
and I'm sure bitch_n_pack is fine with that too. The moderators of
this site however have no such choice. They have a duty to read all
posts to keep this site civil and informative. I think they do a
wonderful job at this and I am personally disappointed that some
posters have the arrogance to believe that their words are so
important that it is fine to expect others to struggle to understand
them.
The reason written language has rules is simply to maintain the
majority understanding of such written word. The chosen language for
this site is English. While no one expects everyone to write like
English majors the least we can all do is try to follow SOME of the
written language rules so as to be able to more easily understand one
another.
Sorry to be so harsh but I really feel that needed to be said.
Regards, Trevor Hunt
--- In mlmsurvivorsclub@
<bitch_n_pack@
>
> --- In mlmsurvivorsclub@
> <mickwenlock@
> >
> > Hi Hal,
> >
> > Yes, I agree - if you were in a store and could not understand
the
> clerk then you would be doing the store a favor by pointing it out.
> >
> > But that is because the store is there to sell you things, that
is
> the clerk's job. You are a customer, they are a seller.
> >
> > This is *not* a store - it's a mailing list of people who are
here
> because of different reasons. Such lists exist for people to talk
> (well, write) . If I were in a pub with a bunch of people and
someone
> was talking who I did not understand I would not proceed to give
him
> or her a lecture on how to talk - I would just ignore them.
> >
> > Criticizing people for the way they write rather than what they
are
> writing about strikes me as going against what mailing lists and
> discussion groups are about.
> >
> > Mick
> >
> > Hal Vaughan <hal@> wrote:
> >
> > Actually, the reason I wrote what I did is because I think this
> person
> > is capable of making some quite good points, but I know I skip
> most of
> > what she says for the reasons I indicated. In many ways,
pointing
> out
> > something like that is a favor. If I go into a store and am
> treated
> > rudely by a clerk and just leave, never to go back, I'm letting
> the
> > clerk hurt the store, but if I point out to the manager what is
> going
> > on, then I'm helping them and potentially keeping them from
losing
> > business.
> >
> > Yes, it's a discussion, but there are minimal standards for just
a
> > discussion. If I get invited over to someone's house to watch
TV
> for
> > an evening and show up in my underwear only, what does that say
> about
> > me and how will they see me? There are minimal standards for
> almost
> > any human interaction.
> >
> > > Sorry hal but all the "I am not attacking the writer.." waffle
> > > doesn't mean that your post is anything other than an ad
hominem.
> >
> > Yes, and now. I'm focusing on the behavior, not on her. It's a
> fine
> > line, but it's one I had to work with all the time in special
ed.
> It's
> > just as if someone makes a long post talking about how wonderful
> their
> > new MLM is and any of us take it apart. We may be focusing on
> their
> > lack of logic, their lack of reasoning, their opinions and so
on.
> This
> > is focusing on the writer's lack of effort in communicating.
> >
> > I also know that you're not going to scream that I disagree with
> you and
> > that you're someone I can openly disagree with and there not be
a
> nasty
> > shouting war or pouting. I see your points and considered them
> all
> > before posting. Personally, I could barely understand what the
> writer
> > was saying, otherwise I would not have responded as I did.
> >
> > Hal
> >
> > > Mick
> > >
> > > Hal Vaughan <hal@> wrote:
> > > This isn't meant as an attack on who the writer is or
> what
> > > she thinks, but it is a point to all those who don't care
enough
> to
> > > make their posts readable. (And I repeat that paragraph a
> number of
> > > times in this message to make the point it's not about her,
it's
> > > about posts written so poorly it's hard to know what is being
> said.)
> > >
> > > On Saturday 28 July 2007, bitch_n_pack wrote:
> > > > ---hi, i like jen also am wondering why?? you would be
using
> so
> > > > much of this stuff.
> > > > if you have a dog off his tucker hes crook usually. or the
> foods
> > > > not appealing, or its just plain too well fed..
> > > > a fast day also works! and its free!
> > >
> > > This isn't meant as an attack on who the writer is or what she
> > > thinks, but it is a point to all those who don't care enough
to
> make
> > > their posts readable.
> > >
> > > I stopped reading this post here. Why? I couldn't follow it
or
> > > understand it. I'm not trying to be judgemental or
> condescending,
> > > but this has come up before. I have a learning disability and,
> > > without spellcheck, would have a terrible time making sure my
> email
> > > was readable (no, not dyslexia, but not far off). I work hard
> and
> > > have to retype many words and sentences because I get letters
and
> > > words mixed up. I do that because I want people to understand
> what
> > > I'm writing.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Yo, Brutus, you just glad to see me or is that a knife under
> your
> > > cloak?"Julius Caesar
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > hi there!
> i am constantly amazed at- what it is? that is so hard to
> understand ,for you guys.
> my use -or lack of- capitals, is hardly uncommon.
> ok it's lazy, so??
> if you read what i write, out loud.
> well ,i write as i speak.
> and i read as if someone was telling me a story.
> hmm? am i so obscure??
> just imagine we are chatting..isn,
> back to the subject.
> i did check that site.
> i really don,t see that the product has any greater value than
> yoghurt, or similar food cultures.
> the fecal coliform bacteria sounded as if it could be a bit gross
in
> truth. maybe yakult type stuff in the dogsmilk would be as good?
> as to the company and weird range of products. well,
> somehow i think they are a lot like amway. buy other manufacturers
> and re-label at a high margin.
> and absolutely no info on the miracle cleaner, is very suss.
> if this isn't understandable enough..
> well, so be it.
> personally i find some pretty scatty stuff, but if i want to read
it
> i persevere.
> i would love someone to translate jonothans efforts for me.
> and btw, i am still waiting for his reply as to what? allergies he
> was saying were most common and unknown.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Yo, Brutus, you just glad to see me or is that a knife under
your
> cloak?"Julius Caesar
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
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