I'm sorry - my typing skills rank just above a chimpanzee, so I tend
to use as many acronyms as possible...LOL!
questions in caps (yes, I know that's rude, so accept them as offered
in kindness)
--- In mlmsurvivorsclub@
<cantonoh2003@
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> Wow!!! Fascinating plus the fact your writing skills are excellent
> allowed the narrative flow smoothly.
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> Deb, being a newbie myself I am not familiar with all the acronyms,
> plus have a few questions if you don't mind?
>
> Who are Rich and Jay? is that Rich DeVos and Jay VanAndel? YES -
AND THEIR DISTRIBUTOR ORGANIZATION IS CALLED JA-RI (JAY-RICH) JA-RI
WAS MY UPLINE - OFFERING ME THE TITLE OF HAVING NO "UPLINE DIAMOND",
SINCE THEY WERE ONLY AN EMERALDSHIP AT BEST?
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> Rich and Jay left Nutrilite to start American Way? YES -
NUTRILITE WAS AROUND LONG BEFORE AMWAY
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> Where does Amway enter the picture? IT SEEMS NUTRILITE WAS
CHANGING THE RULES AND COMPENSATION FOR THEIR DISTRIBUTORS - SO RICH
AND JAY DECIDED TO BREAK AWAY AND FORM THEIR OWN COMPANY WITH A SOAP
PRODUCT CALLED *FRISK* (LATER KNOWN AS L.O.C.). THE ARTICLES OF
INCORPORATION WERE DRAWN UP IN 1959; AND ONE OF THE MAIN ELEMENTS OF
THE BUSINESS WAS A GOVERNING BOARD (ADA: AMWAY DISTRIBUTORS ASS'N)
MADE UP OF DISTRIBUTORS WHO WOULD KEEP THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE
"LITTLE GUY" FIRST AND FOREMOST. NEEDLESS TO SAY, THAT BECAME THE
PAWN OF THE KINGPINS OVER TIME.
WHEN RICH AND JAY FORMED AMWAY, THEY HAD OVER 5,000 DISTRIBUTORS.
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> Who are considered to be the Founding Fathers of Amway?
BESIDES RICH AND JAY AND MY GRANDFATHER; BILL HALLIDAY WAS THE LAWYER
WHO SET UP THE CORPORATION; JOE VICTOR; FRED HANSEN; ELEANOR TIETSMA;
JERE DUTT; FRANK DELISLE; SOMEONE NAMED KRAUSE...AND I COUPLE OF
OTHERS WHOSE NAMES I'VE FORGOTTEN
>
> ADA stands for?
AMWAY DISTRIBUTORS ASSOCIATION - THEY ACTED AS THE LIAISON BETWEEN
THE CORPORATION AND THE DISTRIBUTOR
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> IBOA stands for?
INDEPENDENT BUSINESS OWNERS ASSOCIATION - THE "NEW" NAME FOR THE ADA
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> What is the hierarch of the titles? 1#Dimond 2# Emerald 3# Platinum
> 4#??...
> A PLATINUM (OLD NAME: DIRECT DISTRIBUTOR)
7500 PV PER MONTH FOR 6 MONTHS
AN EMERALD HAS 3 PLATINUM LEGS
A DIAMOND HAS 6 PLATINUM LEGS
BEYOND THAT, IT GETS FUZZY, SINCE I DIDN'T WORRY ABOUT BEING ONE OF
THOSE...LOL!
CROWN, AND CROWN AMBASSADOR. I DO KNOW THAT CROWN AMBASSADOR (CA) IS
AS HIGH AS YOU CAN GET. OUR DEAR FRIEND/DOWNLINE BERNICE HANSEN IS A
CA; AND HER DOWNLINE INCLUDES VICTORS, DUTTS, YAGER, BRITT AND ON AND
ON. SHE PROBABLY MADE THE MOST MONEY EVER FROM JUST THE SALES OF
AMWAY PRODUCT
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> > "Grandfather [Walter Bass] …..was only an Emerald; and those
> below him were higher pins who made more money."
> In the pyramid how can people below you make more money? BERNICE
WOULD HAVE RECEIVED MULTIPLE BONUSES EACH YEAR - MORE THAN WE DID.
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> > "We were "different" than most Amway businesses: we weren't
> affiliated with an AMO"
> AMO stands for? What is an AMO? How is an AMO different from Amway?
AN AMO IS AN "AMWAY MOTIVATIONAL ORGANIZATION" AND THERE ARE MANY OF
THESE, ALL SELLING AMWAY PRODUCTS. (ALTHOUGH THEIR PRIMARY FOCUS IS
TO SELL THEIR "TRAINING" TAPES, BOOKS, AND FUNCTIONS) THEY ARE THE
SOURCE OF THE HYPE/LIES/ASSORTED DISTORTIONS THAT GIVES AMWAY A BAD
NAME. BACK IN 1983, AN AMWAY CORPORATE MAN NAMED ED POSTMA, WROTE
THE FAMOUS "POSTMA MEMO" - BASICALLY EXPLAINING HOW THE AMO KINGPINS
WERE BLACKMAILING THE CORPORATION AND HARMING THE DISTRIBUTORS.
SADLY, HE UNDERESTIMATED HOW LONG SOMETHING THAT EVIL COULD CONTINUE;
AND PREDICTED THE AMOS WOULD COLLAPSE. IT BREAKS MY HEART TO ADMIT
THIS BECAUSE I TRULY BELIEVE THAT RICH AND JAY ARE GOOD PEOPLE - BUT
THEY ALLOWED, AND EVEN SUPPORTED, THESE AMOS IN THE INTEREST OF
GROWING THEIR BUSINESS. AND IN THAT LIGHT, I HOPE YOU CAN GRASP HOW
AWFUL T.E.A.M. HAD TO BE TO GET TERMINATED??
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> > "But immediately "below" us, was an AMO called Network 21; and
> further down were Yager and Britt with THEIR AMOs."
> I thought "below us" meant people, yet you are referring to
> "below us" as different organizations.
BERNICE HANSEN'S SON-IN-LAW IS AFFILIATED WITH N-21; AND SOME OF OUR
PEOPLE CHOSE TO LOOSELY FOLLOW THEIR 'SYSTEM'. YES, OUR DOWNLINE
MEANS 'PEOPLE' - BUT MANY OF THEM ARE ALSO AMO KINGPINS (KINGPIN
MEANING THE DEVELOPER OF THE SYSTEM AND THE ONE WHO MAKES THE MOST
MONEY OFF THE "TOOLS" [TAPES/BOOKS/
ASSORTMENT OF MEETINGS])
>
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> > "…and further down were Yager and Britt with THEIR AMOs"
> which I interpate to me Yager and Britt had a number/many AMO's.
> Why not make one AMO instead of many AMO?
ORIGINALLY, THERE *WAS* ONE AMO - YAGER'S. BUT AS OTHERS SAW HOW HE
WAS MAKING MONEY ON THE SIDE - IN MOST CASES, WAAAAY MORE MONEY, THEY
BROKE OFF AND FORMED THEIR OWN AMOS. GREED SELDOM OFFERS "LOYALTY".
NOW THERE ARE SO MANY AMOS, THAT IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO COUNT THEM ALL.
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> LOS stands for?
LINE OF SPONSORSHIP - THE WAY PEOPLE ARE SIGNED UP, ACCORDING TO
AMWAY'S RECORDS. OFTEN, PEOPLE IN AMOS ARE FOLLOWING A LOA (LINE OF
AFFILIATION) WHICH IS THE KINGPIN THEY ARE ENCOURAGED TO FOLLOW; AND
THESE CAN CHANGE ON A WHIM
>
> Kingpins – where is the Kingpin in the hierarch? How does on
> become a Kingpin? How many are there?
KINGPIN IS JUST THE NAME WE HAVE DUBBED THOSE WHO RECEIVE LARGE
AMOUNTS OF AMO MONEY. HOW MANY ARE THERE?? WAAAAY TOO MANY ;-) HOW DO
YOU BECOME ONE?? [TONGUE IN CHEEK, TO A CERTAIN EXTENT]: YOU TAKE A
HUGE AMOUNT OF EGO, ADD ABOUT 20 LBS OF CHARISMA, AND A TRUCKLOAD OF
GREED. BINGO - YOU HAVE A KINGPIN-IN-THE-
>
> PV stands for? > "IBO doing 38 PV per month"
PRODUCT VOLUME - IT'S HOW AMWAY "COUNTS"; AND HOW BONUS LEVELS ARE
ATTAINED. 100 PV PER MONTH GETS YOU A 3% BONUS; 300 PV GETS 6%, ETC
THERE'S ALSO BV - BUSINESS VOLUME. THE BONUS CHECK IS BASED ON A
PERCENTAGE OF THE IBO'S BV. KIND OF CONFUSING, BUT IT'S ALWAYS BEEN
DONE THAT WAY.
>
I HOPE THIS HELPED - NOT CONFUSED YOU FURTHER...LOL!
BASICALLY, MY STANCE IS THAT AMWAY IS A GOOD COMPANY AND A NICE WAY TO
MAKE A FEW EXTRA DOLLARS. THE MINUTE AN AMO IS INVOLVED, HOWEVER, IT
MAKES IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR THE AVERAGE IBO TO MAKE ANY MONEY; AND THE
BRAINWASHING AND CULT-LIKE TACTICS USED BY THE AMOS ARE DEFINITELY
HARMFUL TO YOUR FINANCES AND RELATIONSHIPS.
BEST WISHES (and I'll turn my caps off now!)
Deb
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